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Tom4784 · 09-10-2019, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Lies? The UK public were told by their government, in no uncertain terms, that if they voted to leave the EU that is what they would do.

You can argue that they were duped. You can argue that they were doing the bidding of the elite. Or you can argue that it's against their interests all you want. That the economy will crash. But you can't argue that the British public voted to leave. That was their choice. Being in a free country means that you have the freedom to make mistakes. Otherwise, you don't live in a free country. The only people that were truly lied to, if the referendum is ignored, were the British public.

If you do love freedom and if you love the EU this is what you should be advocating: honor the results of the EU referendum by withdrawing the UK completely from the EU. Then, once they are out, start advocating for a referendum to rejoin the EU.

Almost half of the people didn't vote to leave and the Leave side basically swore that they'd get a deal too. If we were to do the referendum again now, I think it would still be close but Remain would likely win.

I don't believe going back and forth on this issue will fix anything and playing the Hokey Cokey with the EU is a dumb idea. Our only real option is a compromise by leaving with a deal. Anyone that tries to make out that we should leave at the first opportunity should not be trusted to know the difference between their elbow and their arsehole. We should leave when we're ready and not a moment before. If delays are neccesary then so be it.

You're preaching to me when it's clear you don't really have the first clue of what you are talking about.

Liberty4eva · 09-10-2019, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Almost half of the people didn't vote to leave and the Leave side basically swore that they'd get a deal too. If we were to do the referendum again now, I think it would still be close but Leave would likely win.

I don't believe going back and forth on this issue will fix anything and playing the Hokey Cokey with the EU is a dumb idea. Our only real option is a compromise by leaving with a deal. Anyone that tries to make out that we should leave at the first opportunity should not be trusted to know the difference between their elbow and their arsehole. We should leave when we're ready and not a moment before. If delays are neccesary then so be it.

You're preaching to me when it's clear you don't really have the first clue of what you are talking about.

If the UK makes it clear that they won't leave without a deal, why on earth would the EU cooperate in giving the UK a fair deal? That's negotiating 101. When you are negotiating with someone, you have to be prepared to walk away from the table otherwise they're not going to give you a good deal.

Kizzy · 09-10-2019, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

If the UK makes it clear that they won't leave without a deal, why on earth would the EU cooperate in giving the UK a fair deal? That's negotiating 101. When you are negotiating with someone, you have to be prepared to walk away from the table otherwise they're not going to give you a good deal.

Brexit isn't a used car .. why all this assumption that the other member states want to feck us over and not accept fair terms?
Who can we trust to negotiate fairly..America?

Kazanne · 09-10-2019, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dia.

Fixed it for you

I'm sure altering people's posts is against forum rules, the lengths some people go to to force thier opinion.

arista · 09-10-2019, 08:07 AM

Just Confirmed
Parliament will Hold a Special Sitting
on Saturday 19th October
with or without a Deal at the EU Summit.

SkyNewsHD All Out Politics Live

Ammi · 09-10-2019, 08:13 AM

...oh I’ll be over in that Europe place on the 19th October...the U.K. might not let me back in again then...?...my Brexit movement...

arista · 09-10-2019, 10:09 AM

Kizzy · 09-10-2019, 10:15 AM

Why is the promise broken? ....we are still in negotiations, it isn't over. Everything he said is as valid today as it was then.

arista · 09-10-2019, 10:15 AM

Boris 'Private Prosecutor' Liable to Pay Over £100,000 in Costs
Marcus J. Ball.

I think Twosugars
crowd funded this fool.

Nicky91 · 09-10-2019, 10:23 AM

yes Boris, get brexit done with now, and focus on the more important problems in britain

The Slim Reaper · 09-10-2019, 12:39 PM

Beso · 09-10-2019, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Almost half of the people didn't vote to leave and the Leave side basically swore that they'd get a deal too. If we were to do the referendum again now, I think it would still be close but Leave would likely win.

I don't believe going back and forth on this issue will fix anything and playing the Hokey Cokey with the EU is a dumb idea. Our only real option is a compromise by leaving with a deal. Anyone that tries to make out that we should leave at the first opportunity should not be trusted to know the difference between their elbow and their arsehole. We should leave when we're ready and not a moment before. If delays are neccesary then so be it.

You're preaching to me when it's clear you don't really have the first clue of what you are talking about.

Sadly I think our days of describing the UK citizens and the UK as a whole as "we" are long gone thanks to remains insistence on continuing to divide the country.

Alf · 09-10-2019, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The management claim it was down to leaving the EU do they? How fortunate for them that it wasn't their fault.

What was the reason for companies going into administration before "Brexit" was even a word?

user104658 · 09-10-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Sadly I think our days of describing the UK citizens and the UK as a whole as "we" are long gone thanks to remains insistence on continuing to divide the country.

None of this has caused a divide though has it... It's just shone a spotlight on a divide that was clearly already there. We just spent a long time pretending otherwise.

Tom4784 · 09-10-2019, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

If the UK makes it clear that they won't leave without a deal, why on earth would the EU cooperate in giving the UK a fair deal? That's negotiating 101. When you are negotiating with someone, you have to be prepared to walk away from the table otherwise they're not going to give you a good deal.

'Yeah, we'll **** over our own economy and everyone who isn't part of the elite! That'll show the EU!'

You are speaking utter insanity.

Beso · 09-10-2019, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

None of this has caused a divide though has it... It's just shone a spotlight on a divide that was clearly already there. We just spent a long time pretending otherwise.

That's not how I saw things.. we were all united after the bombing in manchester and other terror attacks in london.

Tom4784 · 09-10-2019, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Sadly I think our days of describing the UK citizens and the UK as a whole as "we" are long gone thanks to remains insistence on continuing to divide the country.

I'd say it's more to do with Leave's insistence to commit a murder suicide on the country but whatever helps you live with your decisions that you can't take back, I guess.

Can't expect much from a side who was easily led by a lie on the side of a bus.

Beso · 09-10-2019, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd say it's more to do with Leave's insistence to commit a murder suicide on the country but whatever helps you live with your decisions that you can't take back, I guess.

Can't expect much from a side who was easily led by a lie on the side of a bus.

Like most people I know. .the bus meant nothing...

The bus just seems to be the new bashing tool from bitter losers fed up with using the it's the immigrants coming in line.....

Tom4784 · 09-10-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

The management claim it was down to leaving the EU do they? How fortunate for them that it wasn't their fault.

What was the reason for companies going into administration before "Brexit" was even a word?

'Companies going into administration happened before Brexit! I'm going to disregard the financial chaos this debacle has already caused and will cause when it actually ****ing happens and make out that companies that are collapsing are just using Brexit as an excuse because facts and logic are nothing compared to my faith that everything will be okay despite all the evidence to the contrary!'

Leavers are on a ****ing crazy train and they want to drive us all off the tracks.

Kazanne · 09-10-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Sadly I think our days of describing the UK citizens and the UK as a whole as "we" are long gone thanks to remains insistence on continuing to divide the country.

The end of the world is nigh Parmy

Beso · 09-10-2019, 01:19 PM

What was it the mayor of Manchester said..."they will never divide us....he was correct that those terrorists wouldn't....but these new political terrorists are and still are.

Tom4784 · 09-10-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Like most people I know. .the bus meant nothing...

The bus just seems to be the new bashing tool from bitter losers fed up with using the it's the immigrants coming in line.....

Aaand we reach the truth of the matter. Leavers don't care about the country or the harm they'll inflict and others and themselves. It's all about 'winning' and nothing more. It's pathetic. This isn't a ****ing game, Parm. The feeling of 'winning' isn't going to make Leavers feel better when they face the reality of their decisions.

The Leave campaign was a joke and people voted for lies based on blind faith despite evidence to the contrary. If I'm wrong try arguing against it but I won't hold my breath.

Tom4784 · 09-10-2019, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

What was it the mayor of Manchester said..."they will never divide us....he was correct that those terrorists wouldn't....but these new political terrorists are and still are.

'If you think differently to me, you're a terrorist because I lack the functions to argue with you properly so you're a terrorist now. Democracy should only be a thing when it suits me!

And Leavers have the audacity to preach that this is about freedom when they say **** like that. Can't expect much from people who believe in fairy tales over facts, I suppose.

user104658 · 09-10-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

That's not how I saw things.. we were all united after the bombing in manchester and other terror attacks in london.

The Manchester bombing was almost a full year AFTER the Brexit vote, Parm, and the Remainer/Brexiteer divide was very much already in full swing.

Yes people are capable of coming together to support something good / condemn something as horrendous as an attack like that, that would still be the case if god forbid another attack like that happened tomorrow, but it doesn't mean there wasn't a deep-rooted divide in general public opinion LONG before Brexit. Or rather, it has always been there.

Beso · 09-10-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Aaand we reach the truth of the matter. Leavers don't care about the country or the harm they'll inflict and others and themselves. It's all about 'winning' and nothing more. It's pathetic. This isn't a ****ing game, Parm. The feeling of 'winning' isn't going to make Leavers feel better when they face the reality of their decisions.

The Leave campaign was a joke and people voted for lies based on blind faith despite evidence to the contrary. If I'm wrong try arguing against it but I won't hold my breath.

If a joke of a campaign won...it doesn't say too much about the opposing campaign.

A campaign ran and supported by clones...unfortunately just not enough clones to win.

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