[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I could easily turn that around to you, dont be blinded by what you read ,not all of it is factual,some is designed to push people a certain way,it works for some but not all, here is a good example https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/102557...r-hatred-envy/

We all read this type of stuff and depending on who we support believe it,so are we believing what we read or just certain parts of it ? I dont dislike Corbyn as i dont know him personally but I do think he has brought the Labour party to its knees and needs to go if he was bothered about the country he would have stood down and handed the mantle to someone people actually warm to , they would have a much better chance of winning an election then. I wont be crying , I will deal with whatever happens.

Why are all the medical organisations and professionals saying it?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why are all the medical organisations and professionals saying it?

Probably because they don't like Trump and sorry Slim but just because someone has a professional title doesnt make them infalible ,they are probably worried as a lot of remainers are about the effects of Brexit but we will see.

[Cherry Christmas]

It was pretty hypocrital of Farage given his comments after Obamas visit

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It was pretty hypocrital of Farage given his comments after Obamas visit

Farage a hypocrite? Well I never, I am shooketh to the core, who saw that coming?

His own ego is going to be his (second) downfall

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Farage a hypocrite? Well I never, I am shooketh to the core, who saw that coming?

His own ego is going to be his (second) downfall

True

How his party are going to fight the election is going to be interesting

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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True

How his party are going to fight the election is going to be interesting

They wont fight or contest the election. He will completely back off and he will receive a peerage from Johnson as a reward.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They wont fight or contest the election. He will completely back off and he will receive a peerage from Johnson as a reward.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartanntp

Brexit party will fight every seat if current deal isn't torn up


no surprises there for me

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Probably because they don't like Trump and sorry Slim but just because someone has a professional title doesnt make them infalible ,they are probably worried as a lot of remainers are about the effects of Brexit but we will see.

So the professionals inside the NHS are lying about the decimation at the hands of the Tories and their worries about it being sold off to the US, just cause they don’t like Trump?

Boris is a known and proven liar, he’s been fired from multiple positions for deception, yet you seem to think he’s the most trustworthy politician that wouldn’t lie?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So the professionals inside the NHS are lying about the decimation at the hands of the Tories and their worries about it being sold off to the US, just cause they don’t like Trump?

Boris is a known and proven liar, he’s been fired from multiple positions for deception, yet you seem to think he’s the most trustworthy politician that wouldn’t lie?

No one said they were lying,stop fabricating,but maybe they should look more towards the reasons the NHS is struggling ,it's not always the govenments fault,but it always seems whatever the problem the govenment is to blame,they cannot work miracles, I am not saying there have not been mistakes but surely mismanagement and self serving people have a part to play, its the same as the councils always banging on about they havent got enough money, I have seen the money spent by things that are just not essential.They are all proven liars as you say, so we have to pick one. The NHS will NOT be sold off that is what I believe at the moment.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Probably because they don't like Trump and sorry Slim but just because someone has a professional title doesnt make them infalible ,they are probably worried as a lot of remainers are about the effects of Brexit but we will see.

But they do like and care about the sector they work in. It's not about Trump, and viewing every policy criticism of Johnson/Trump/Tories as "well, they just don't like him/them" means that no matter what the facts, you are never open to changing your mind or viewing things on their merits.

When we criticise children in cages, it's not because it's Trump, it' because it's abhorrent. When we criticise what the tories have inflicted on this country for 9 years, it's not because of Johnson or Raab, it's because they are hurting and killing people.

We don't like them because of what they've done, it's not that we don't like what they've done, because we don't like them.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

But they do like and care about the sector they work in. It's not about Trump, and viewing every policy criticism of Johnson/Trump/Tories as "well, they just don't like him/them" means that no matter what the facts, you are never open to changing your mind or viewing things on their merits.

When we criticise children in cages, it's not because it's Trump, it' because it's abhorrent. When we criticise what the tories have inflicted on this country for 9 years, it's not because of Johnson or Raab, it's because they are hurting and killing people.

We don't like them because of what they've done, it's not that we don't like what they've done, because we don't like them.

I am sure most of them love what they do,and the NHS is second to none, but it does waste a lot of money especially from the fat cats at the top, I simply dont think it will ever be sold off by anyone, and I dont think the government are fully to blame ,I am quite distrusting of people in general so its really hard to choose a side you can 100% get behind,Im just going by my instincts at the moment. They are probably worried about the effects of Brexit,but it cant get any worse than it already is, I really dont think much will change.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am sure most of them love what they do,and the NHS is second to none, but it does waste a lot of money especially from the fat cats at the top, I simply dont think it will ever be sold off by anyone, and I dont think the government are fully to blame ,I am quite distrusting of people in general so its really hard to choose a side you can 100% get behind,Im just going by my instincts at the moment. They are probably worried about the effects of Brexit,but it cant get any worse than it already is, I really dont think much will change.

Take brexit out of the equation, it's their austerity which has already damaged it beyond anything anyone could have seen coming. I've even posted vids to you of themselves saying they don't care about it, and you still trust them after what they've done? Fair enough, it's your vote.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by kazanne

i am sure most of them love what they do,and the nhs is second to none, but it does waste a lot of money especially from the fat cats at the top, i simply dont think it will ever be sold off by anyone, and i dont think the government are fully to blame ,i am quite distrusting of people in general so its really hard to choose a side you can 100% get behind,im just going by my instincts at the moment. They are probably worried about the effects of brexit,but it cant get any worse than it already is, i really dont think much will change.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Cherry Christmas]

Maybe they want to lose and want Corbyn to take on Brexit

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They'll believe the liar who is spinning a prettier fairy tale.

I have no faith in the voting public at this point, they're all too used to voting against their own interests to please their overlords by getting the rich a tax break or ten.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Probably because they don't like Trump and sorry Slim but just because someone has a professional title doesnt make them infalible ,they are probably worried as a lot of remainers are about the effects of Brexit but we will see.

First, a link to the Sun, and now ALL medical professionals have got it wrong? Oh dear.

[The Slim Reaper]

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Yes Bernie
is like Corbyn

And

Corbyn
is like Bernie.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

First, a link to the Sun, and now ALL medical professionals have got it wrong? Oh dear.

We live in a world where experts can only be trusted if they tell you what you want to hear because being placated by lies is preferred to being told an uncomfortable truth.

The NHS will be no more in ten years at this rate, the efforts to demonise it's workers to the public are working and the public are all too glad to let it all rot as long as they're being told a pretty fiction.

It's so ****ing grim. I've got a rainy day fund in case I ever decide to emigrate and every day it becomes more and more likely that I'll actually use it for that purpose at some point. I won't live in the UK if it means having to deal with a US style health system.