Home Menu

Site Navigation


Notices

Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics.

Register to reply Log in to reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-11-2019, 07:33 AM #1
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

The ultimate betrayal... no chance of retaining his seat as an independant at the election so he attempts to sabotage Labour! Judas!
__________________
Kizzy is offline  
Old 07-11-2019, 08:09 AM #2
arista's Avatar
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 186,929
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
arista's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 186,929
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
The ultimate betrayal... no chance of retaining his seat as an independant at the election so he attempts to sabotage Labour! Judas!

Yes he is just that.
He managed to get on Radio4
SkyNewsHD breakfast
and BBC1 AM
arista is offline  
Old 07-11-2019, 11:25 AM #3
Beso's Avatar
Beso Beso is offline
Piss orf.
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: scotland
Posts: 48,023

Favourites:
BB4: Cameron


Beso Beso is offline
Piss orf.
Beso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: scotland
Posts: 48,023

Favourites:
BB4: Cameron


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
The ultimate betrayal... no chance of retaining his seat as an independant at the election so he attempts to sabotage Labour! Judas!


Comparing him to a disgraced jew is what I expected from a labour supporter.
Beso is offline  
Old 07-11-2019, 11:33 AM #4
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by parmnion View Post
Comparing him to a disgraced jew is what I expected from a labour supporter.
His role as trade envoy for Israel may have something to do with his new veiw, that's my opinion as a Labour supporter.
__________________
Kizzy is offline  
Old 07-11-2019, 11:47 AM #5
The Slim Reaper's Avatar
The Slim Reaper The Slim Reaper is offline
Deny, Defend, Depose.
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: In MS Paint on your desktop
Posts: 14,115
The Slim Reaper The Slim Reaper is offline
Deny, Defend, Depose.
The Slim Reaper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: In MS Paint on your desktop
Posts: 14,115
Default

The Jewish Chronicle is a right wing publication. They do have some dissenting voices although a quick look back at how they covered the previous elections will tell you that they'd never stand up for a non-tory.

__________________
The Slim Reaper is offline  
Old 07-11-2019, 11:50 AM #6
The Slim Reaper's Avatar
The Slim Reaper The Slim Reaper is offline
Deny, Defend, Depose.
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: In MS Paint on your desktop
Posts: 14,115
The Slim Reaper The Slim Reaper is offline
Deny, Defend, Depose.
The Slim Reaper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: In MS Paint on your desktop
Posts: 14,115
Default

https://www.thejc.com/comment/commen...fears-1.491022

Rabbi Jonathan Romain’s decision to write to his community urging them to vote in the forthcoming election for “whichever party is most likely to defeat Labour” in their constituency crosses a red line in the professional and ethical guidelines of UK rabbinic practice.

These codes of conduct and practice in relation to politics are unwritten - but have been well understood for generations.

Of course, rabbis of all denominations will have views on, as well as speak and write about, political issues. How could it be otherwise when the Torah’s vision is filled with concern for the poor and the marginalised in society, care for the outsider, love of the stranger, questions of social justice and how to look after one’s fields and animals and trees?

Jewish ethical principles that affect the way in which the social, legal, economic and environmental policies of a country are arranged are themes that rabbis will think and preach about. But the red line that my friend and colleague has crossed is not to do with politics but party politics.

My concerns about Jonathan Romain’s unwise decision are twofold. The first is the message it sends to the Jewish community. The second is the message it may unwittingly send to the larger, non-Jewish community.

Rabbi Romain considers that his action is justified because we are facing an “unprecedented situation” in relation to antisemitism in the Labour Party.

Although I hold no personal candle for Corbynite Labour and some of his nastier and ignorant fellow-travellers, this situation requires a calm thoughtfulness rather than an emotive, fear-fuelled enactment which merely mirrors the hostility that some Jews feel themselves subjected to.

Jews are understandably upset, angered and fearful when they hear about, or witness, antisemitic remarks or actions. But thoughtful rabbinic leadership at this moment in our history should be helping people manage their anxieties about these trends – which are part of larger, disturbing trends in the society around us: all that toxic swirl of aggression, anger, hatred and victimisation that courses through public discourse and on social media.

A rabbi’s job, I believe, is to help the Jewish community contain its worries and its emotional distress, not by telling people how to cast their vote (as if they didn’t have a mind of their own) but by strengthening their psychological and spiritual wellbeing.

Rabbi Romain’s intemperate action can only stoke Jewish fears, increase people’s anxieties, collude with our historically deep-seated impulses towards paranoid thinking.

And the message it may send to non-Jews? I fear that it colludes with a fantasy that Jews are a homogenous group who are only concerned about themselves rather than the larger shared issues of the society we all live in. And for some it may fan the flames of a belief in Jewish conspiratorial networks that seek to undermine the country’s wellbeing.

Jews are not threatened with organised violence in this country. If it comes, as it might, it will come from the populist right - who have no internal countervailing voices, as the left do. We will then realise that we had our eyes on the wrong ball all along.

Quote:
Jews are not threatened with organised violence in this country. If it comes, as it might, it will come from the populist right - who have no internal countervailing voices, as the left do. We will then realise that we had our eyes on the wrong ball all along.
__________________

Last edited by The Slim Reaper; 07-11-2019 at 12:01 PM.
The Slim Reaper is offline  
Old 07-11-2019, 12:00 PM #7
The Slim Reaper's Avatar
The Slim Reaper The Slim Reaper is offline
Deny, Defend, Depose.
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: In MS Paint on your desktop
Posts: 14,115
The Slim Reaper The Slim Reaper is offline
Deny, Defend, Depose.
The Slim Reaper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: In MS Paint on your desktop
Posts: 14,115
Default

Like I said in another thread, there is no one zombie-eaque Jewish mind, and to say there is, is an actual anti semitic trope, and not a pretend one like criticising Israel = anti semite.
__________________

Last edited by The Slim Reaper; 07-11-2019 at 12:07 PM.
The Slim Reaper is offline  
Old 07-11-2019, 12:11 PM #8
MTVN's Avatar
MTVN MTVN is offline
All hail the Moyesiah
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: West Country
Posts: 59,804

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Noky
BB19: Lewis G


MTVN MTVN is offline
All hail the Moyesiah
MTVN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: West Country
Posts: 59,804

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Noky
BB19: Lewis G


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper View Post
Like I said in another thread, there is no one zombie-eaque Jewish mind, and to say there is, is an actual anti semitic trope, and not a pretend one like criticising Israel = anti semite.
You're right but the JC didn't commission the polls that found 87% consider him an anti-Semite and that nearly half would consider emigrating if he were PM. Nor were they behind the resignations of Jewish MPs from Labour because of anti-Semitism in the party
MTVN is offline  
Register to reply Log in to reply

Bookmark/share this topic

Tags
12th, confirms, conservative, debate, dec, december, election, general, johnson, johnsonpm, pm, thurs, thursday, win


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:55 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

About Us ThisisBigBrother.com

"Big Brother and UK Television Forum. Est. 2001"

 

© 2023
no new posts