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Originally Posted by Livia

While that's all very interesting, it doesn't bear any resemblance to my idea of a load of men at a boozy lunch. I don't care what their social standing is, after a few beers with the boys, they're going to be loud and obnoxious. Hard to politicise that, but good try, TS.

I have no idea why anyone would think that isn't entirely political.

Anyway; alcohol lowers inhibitions, it doesn't change personalities or implant ideas in people's minds. Maybe it only came out because they were intoxicated, but it was in there before they touched a drop. It's also not an excuse for being a loud, aggressive, classless arsehole and it certainly doesn't apply to "all men after they've had a few" - or even most men I'd associate with. Some of us manage not to turn into slobbering, blaring yobs even after more than a few. Who would have thought.