[Denver]

The cps dropped charges against Nicky Butt but still went after Flack now if someone doesnt see whats wrong there

[bitontheslide]

Being passive aggressive and demeaning to others can be just as damaging, but I don't see anyone trying to outlaw that

[Ammi]

...Kirstie Allsopp has joined the voices against news media/social media...it’s becoming like a #metoo movement....

[Ammi]

...something interesting that she said was...a show’s popularity is not just about how many watch it...but how talked about online it is on social media etc...(...and I guess, forums like this...)...(..although she didn’t actually mention TiBB...)...

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not everyone kills themselves for the same reason.

Wow, nobody knew that.

Different things affect different people... erm... differently.

Oh well done sheriff.

Sarcastic replies add nothing to the thread.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Kirstie Allsopp has joined the voices against news media/social media...it’s becoming like a #metoo movement....

Me too movement, in which the man accused of it, settled all the cases out of court.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Sarcastic replies add nothing to the thread.

Take your own advice.

[Marsh.]

Sarcasm is needed when the argument that nothing needs to change is backed up with "Well not everyone takes it the wrong way" (ie. Not everyone has mental health problems).

Just no.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Me too movement, in which the man accused of it, settled all the cases out of court.

He's not settled all of them at all.

[Ammi]

...this has made me think about the recent ‘coming out of Philip Schofield’ and (some..) media and social media...how quickly it appeared to go from his sexuality to something entirely different...didn’t a few media print the speculation, which was essentially just gossip...once something is in black and white and printed, it takes on a whole new life and the truth becomes irrelevant, sadly...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But, again, they won't be listened to by the people with common sense.

Well YT is a mess when it comes to what's fair & what isn't, they never get it right.

[Ammi]

...the comparison to the #metoo movement...was just really how many celebrities atm are saying...’#metoo’ with personal news media/social media experiences...it wasn’t meant in any literal way...

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sarcasm is needed when the argument that nothing needs to change is backed up with "Well not everyone takes it the wrong way" (ie. Not everyone has mental health problems).

Just no.

It’s just you baiting as usual.

If you think Caroline’s death will change anything in the media you are totally wrong after Diana was chased to her grave.

Too many people on here blaming the media when it’s people with mental health problems killing themselves not because of a news paper headline.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s just you baiting as usual.

If you think Caroline’s death will change anything in the media you are totally wrong after Diana was chased to her grave.

Too many people on here blaming the media when it’s people with mental health problems killing themselves not because of a news paper headline.

Yes external influences have zero effect on mental health. Such as bullying and harrassment. But it's baiting to say so.

Good one Sheriff.

I also never said anything will change, in fact I said the opposite.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this has made me think about the recent ‘coming out of Philip Schofield’ and (some..) media and social media...how quickly it appeared to go from his sexuality to something entirely different...didn’t a few media print the speculation, which was essentially just gossip...once something is in black and white and printed, it takes on a whole new life and the truth becomes irrelevant, sadly...

Exactly. It's like Cliff Richard, mud sticks. Once it's out there it's tarnished them for the rest of their lives.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. It's like Cliff Richard, mud sticks. Once it's out there it's tarnished them for the rest of their lives.

Cliff Richard still got hate online even when he was cleared , the stupid "no smoke without fire" thing gets thrown around. Bet even if he died , people would still be calling him a child abuser same with MJ . it's disgusting how accusations get thrown around.

[Livia]

There needs to be a few prosecutions of people spreading the kind of hate online that wrecks people's lives; blackening someone's name when all they have is more Internet swill to back themselves up. The Internet is such a wonderful tool, sadly it has also given a voice to the stupidest.

[Josy]

I never followed Caroline Flack, never watched any shows she was on, never followed her on any of the social media platforms etc so didnt have any true feeling for her but of course I am sorry that she felt she couldn't carry on in life, no one should ever be made to feel that way.

So now here comes the part of my opinion that I'll no doubt get hate for but meh

I'm fed up seeing/reading/hearing peoples opinion about a girl that they quite honestly knew nothing about personally, they didn't support her in her real life and they have no understanding whatsoever about what mental health issues she faced or whether she did have any so just stop using a tragedy for social media content, as a means to target people you define as a troll, petitions and so on...

The kindness stuff waving the internet is getting too much, yes it's always good to be kind but to someone suffering bad mental health issues that have got to the point of them contemplating suicide, kindness more than likely wont make one bit of difference, nothing will.

On Sunday night a fireman took his own life whilst at work, his colleague's found him, he was a true hero. Where is his public sympathy? His R.I.P messages?

A simple bit of respect both for Caroline and her family due to the fact that a girl has ended her life is all that's needed but as usual people are taking it too far because all most care about is social platform attention, likes and interaction.

[Ammi]

...you’re not getting hate, Josy...(...I made a thread about the fireman btw.....)...but her suicide has sparked a wider debate about news media and social media...which is something that’s always ongoing, that debate... ring a fan of reality tv in general, it’s quite easy to understand the toxicity of it all...and yeah, the potential damage...it’s not the only factor of course, but a layer of Potential damage ...

[parmnion]

Well said Josy. .that brought a tear to my eye

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...you’re not getting hate, Josy...(...I made a thread about the fireman btw.....)...but her suicide has sparked a wider debate about news media and social media...which is something that’s always ongoing, that debate... ring a fan of reality tv in general, it’s quite easy to understand the toxicity of it all...and yeah, the potential damage...it’s not the only factor of course, but a layer of Potential damage ...

This reminded of something else I was thinking about..

I do agree the media needs to be regulated in some way, I have first hand experience of the vultures they can be, however I'm sure Caroline's family have stated they hold the cps responsible for her death, not the media, social networks etc.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Josy

This reminded of something else I was thinking about..

I do agree the media needs to be regulated in some way, I have first hand experience of the vultures they can be, however I'm sure Caroline's family have stated they hold the cps responsible for her death, not the media, social networks etc.

.......so sorry about your own experiences, I know of similar things also...I guess with ‘celebrity’ though, it’s more relentless because of the interest in celebrity...I know there are other factors, and specifically with Caroline Flack....a whole chain of events that became overwhelming for her...I guess there are some toxic/unnecessary bits though that are worth the talking point ...and even campaigning for change...?...the CPS’ decision to prosecute was obviously not an unnecessary part...that was a direct cause and effect...but how the media and social media act and react, isn’t really that same thing....

[Ammi]

...what else it reminded me of actually, Josy...?...was Roxanne Pallett...it’s a less direct comparison in some ways...but the obvious fragility of her mental state and the ‘hate’ directed at her from so many news media/social media sources, could have been a different outcome also...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...what else it reminded me of actually, Josy...?...was Roxanne Pallett...it’s a less direct comparison in some ways...but the obvious fragility of her mental state and the ‘hate’ directed at her from so many news media/social media sources, could have been a different outcome also...

Yes that's true.

It definitely is something worth debating and pushing for change is always a good thing, that's not what I was getting at in my post.

[bitontheslide]

social media etc is just another manifestation of mob mentality. We cannot change the fundamental characteristics of what we are ... animals ... no matter how much we would like to dress it up. That is the simple truth