[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Bringing up Kobe glossed over Tyson it seems.

...they’re obviously somehow connected, I just can’t fathom how atm...it’s a bit of a slow day for me...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I didn't hear any outpourings of grief when Prince Andrew's pal "hung himself" in prison

Did he hang himself though? That's debatable.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...they’re obviously somehow connected, I just can’t fathom how atm...it’s a bit of a slow day for me...

Lots of names were brought up tbf Ammi. What they have in common is the level of forgiveness people have for bad things they've done or said. personally I don't like Tyson Fury either

[bots]

Originally Posted by Alf

Did he hang himself though? That's debatable.

hence the quotes

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Lots of names were brought up tbf Ammi. What they have in common is the level of forgiveness people have for bad things they've done or said. personally I don't like Tyson Fury either

...yeah I get that and the controversy as to whether Tyson Fury is ‘deserving’ or not...but I just don’t see how that ‘deserving’ would apply in any similar way for Kobe Bryant’s tragic death...what he did...?..it doesn’t directly relate so forgiveness doesn’t apply...whereas with the Personality of the Year...?...it’s creating a direct comparison/link with Tyson’s behaviour and receiving the accolade, so deserving does apply ...or is rightly being applied for the purposes of the discussion...

[Beso]

It's a case of words and actoins with Bryant tyson and fury.


Im glad it was fury that just done words.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah I get that and the controversy as to whether Tyson Fury is ‘deserving’ or not...but I just don’t see how that ‘deserving’ would apply in any similar way for Kobe Bryant’s tragic death...what he did...?..it doesn’t directly relate so forgiveness doesn’t apply...whereas with the Personality of the Year...?...it’s creating a direct comparison/link with Tyson’s behaviour and receiving the accolade, so deserving does apply ...or is rightly being applied for the purposes of the discussion...

What difference does it make? we're just having a conversation comparing two celebrities and speaking about a rape that's not allowed to be mentioned apparently. And of course that girl that he raped must be feeling really upset watching the world mourn someone who did that to her too

[Ammi]

...No one said it wasn’t allowed to be mentioned, though...I just don’t see any correlation/comparison in it being mentioned in relation to this discussion about Tyson Fury...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...No one said it wasn’t allowed to be mentioned, though...I just don’t see any correlation/comparison in it being mentioned in relation to this discussion about Tyson Fury...

Other people do though

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’m a bit conflicted tbh...he’s staid some pretty grim stuff ...but he’s also seen as quite an inspirational person, so there is a lot of positive in him as a person as well..he’s flawed/he’s complicated/he’s human...I don’t know/conflicted...

The thing is all the times he was upsetting people left , right and centre he in self destruct mode even considering suicide on a regular basis ..

That tells me that it wasn’t the real Tyson Fury .


This is the real Tyson ...


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nobody was talking about the "sadness of his family" though, it was how he's being lauded as this amazing person when he's actually a rapist.

I read through the online police interviews on the case Bryant case ... very disturbing


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[Cherie]

I brought Kobe up as he is a fellow sports man who has done and said not such nice things in the past, I feel its a good comparison, far better than comparing TF to Danny Baker who is media savvy

Kobe was forgiven and TF should be too unless he errs again in which case then no, people in public life do make mistakes

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Other people do though

...yeah I see that ....but unless it was a ‘who is worse’, type comparison then Kobe is not being considered for an accolade, which Tyson Fury allegedly or apparently is...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...they’re obviously somehow connected, I just can’t fathom how atm...it’s a bit of a slow day for me...

both sports people who have erred in the past?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I brought Kobe up as he is a fellow sports man who has done and said not such nice things in the past, I feel its a good comparison, far better than comparing TF to Danny Baker who is media savvy



Kobe was forgiven and TF should be too unless he errs again in which case then no, people in public life do make mistakes

Errs again ??

Have you seen any of the case details..


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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The thing is all the times he was upsetting people left , right and centre he in self destruct mode even considering suicide on a regular basis ..

That tells me that it wasn’t the real Tyson Fury .


This is the real Tyson ...


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...this is the real Tyson Fury as in who, Zizu..?..do you mean he’s someone who doesn’t have the beliefs that he said he did...?...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Errs again ??

Have you seen any of the case details..


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well yes I have but I don't want anyone to faint on the thread

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe you need a reread of the thread Ammi, "Such a great guy" "a Legend" .....not words I would chose for a rapist but being good at basketball trumps that I guess

To be fair people did the same when paul walker died who was dating under age girls, he was a legend and all that.

[Shaun]

It's kinda sad that we can't have a discussion about someone's very recent bigotry without resorting to "well at least he isn't a rapist "

[thesheriff443]

Tyson was nominated to win the sports personality when he beat klitchco to win the world titles, that when he made his sexist and homophobic remarks.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It's kinda sad that we can't have a discussion about someone's very recent bigotry without resorting to "well at least he isn't a rapist or a bigot "

fixed that for you, and you appear to have missed the point but never mind

[Shaun]

So he didn't say those things? Or does claiming mental health problems absolve him of everything?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Shaun

So he didn't say those things? Or does claiming mental health problems absolve him of everything?

Yes he said those things 5 years ago, and has apologised, what are we looking for here, public flogging?

[Shaun]

Edit the post a few more times Cherie and you may eventually get to the stage of having "a point"

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Edit the post a few more times Cherie and you may eventually get to the stage of having "a point"

I edited the second time for a typo

what is your point?