[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

**** all that..some gays,women and paedophiles have thier knickers in twist.

Gays and women, who cares about them

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by parmnion

**** all that..some gays,women and paedophiles have thier knickers in twist.

Why are you lumping us in with nonces...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

**** all that..some gays,women and paedophiles have thier knickers in twist.

So as long as you are chucking your money about you can say what you like?...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not a sports fan no, the Kobe thread has been bumped often enough, and it was a huge story that made every media outlet so strange you missed it.

I didn't read the rest of your post after you accused me of 'blatering', and I wont be responding to you again until you can find yourself some manners and a way of responding to my posts without being insulting.

Ah, so you were looking for reasons to pretend I've insulted you, good to know.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In July 2003, Bryant was charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old employee of the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colo. He admitted that he didn’t explicitly ask for consent and initially denied even having sex with the woman. He left a bruise on her neck and drew blood from her skin. After Bryant’s defense team badly intimidated the victim and smeared her reputation, she refused to testify. After the criminal case was dismissed, Bryant issued an apology that said, in part, “After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.” He later settled for an undisclosed sum in a civil suit.

https://time.com/5773151/kobe-bryant...icated-legacy/

Scum.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He has inspired so many groups of people since he got his life ‘back’ .. anyone fighting against depression, anxiety ,alcohol and drugs excesses and even those fighting obesity.

Everyone he meets falls in love with him.. so many stories from giving £7 million away to charity about 18 months ago to little things like buying the live lobsters and releasing them into the harbour ..




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Let's not with the "Millionaire spends money so that erases their crimes" bull.
The kind of sh*t Weinstein is doing at the moment.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Why are you lumping us in with nonces...

Because he's desperate for a reaction.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Let's not with the "Millionaire spends money so that erases their crimes" bull.

The kind of sh*t Weinstein is doing at the moment.

You can’t possibly be comparing the two guys !!




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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

To be fair people did the same when paul walker died who was dating under age girls, he was a legend and all that.

That's new information about Paul Walker.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Yes he was dating a 17 year old when he died.

Oh.

I thought he'd gone below 16 for a second.

[Ammi]

...It seems less that anything was dismissed in any way with Kobe Bryant, so much as not known as the alleged assault was 17 years ago, that might be a factor in so many not knowing also...I’m still quite conflicted with Tyson Fury but I guess the interesting timing of this would be Israel Folau, who has just had a very recent, lucrative signing in his sport...this is what was said by the rugby governing body...

"However the moral responsibility for deciding whether to sign a player sits with individual clubs,"
"The player has not been charged or found guilty of any criminal offense.
"However distasteful his previous comments, we don't believe that, under our current regulatory framework, these can prevent his participation in the sport."

...so if a sportsperson’s participation in their sport continues...(...whatever a controversy..)...then surely their participation continues unreservedly and they would still be eligible for any award accolades given by their peers..?....

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Why are you lumping us in with nonces...

Cause those are the three subjects tyson fury was discussing...no matter what your mouthy friend says.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...It seems less that anything was dismissed in any way with Kobe Bryant, so much as not known as the alleged assault was 17 years ago, that might be a factor in so many not knowing also...I’m still quite conflicted with Tyson Fury but I guess the interesting timing of this would be Israel Folau, who has just had a very recent, lucrative signing in his sport...this is what was said by the rugby governing body...

"However the moral responsibility for deciding whether to sign a player sits with individual clubs,"
"The player has not been charged or found guilty of any criminal offense.
"However distasteful his previous comments, we don't believe that, under our current regulatory framework, these can prevent his participation in the sport."

...so if a sportsperson’s participation in their sport continues...(...whatever a controversy..)...then surely their participation continues unreservedly and they would still be eligible for any award accolades given by their peers..?....

Ammi, most of the above is llike you are doing a voice over to the wrong film.

Kobe was a big star in America not in the uk, so not well known, the case was a long time ago, add to the fact the case was settled in a civil court and would not of had the coverage a criminal trial would of got, his death with that of his young daughter was seen as a tragedy by the fans of baseball and people who liked him in the film role, add the 17 years between the rape and death and it’s understandable while the rape was not brought back up.

I also don’t think Kobe was the best comparison to Tyson Fury.

The bbc holds these awards and it is not voted for by fellow sports stars or sporting bodies, it’s votes for by the general public.

If you take away what Tyson fury said in his attack 5 years ago then without doubt he should win sports personally of the year.

We are discussing this, but as anyone on here ever voted for any sports personalities?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...so if a sportsperson’s participation in their sport continues...(...whatever a controversy..)...then surely their participation continues unreservedly and they would still be eligible for any award accolades given by their peers..?....

"Eligible", sure, but I'd have some serious questions about the panel making the decision to actually award, if that's the direction they went with it? If it was a case of it being "stripped" or something that's different - an award especially designed for one purpose that just "isn't given" - but that's not the case with the sports personality award... there are plenty of other candidates that it could go to. I'd much prefer he get it at a later date, when he's actually shown some real evidence of change/remorse, beyond a couple of statements that sound like they were written by a PR team and read off a sheet.

Someone with a question mark over their past behaviour who has overcome their demons and can stand up and say "I used to hold some awful opinions and say some awful things - I look back and see things differently now, and here's why ... ..." may well still be deserving of accolades...

Someone who has just said "Wups sorry didn't mean it, wasn't well"? It doesn't look enough like change, to me.

Like I said he's not a criminal or anything, I don't think he should be under any punitive measures or sanctions or anything like that within the sport itself. Even if it was a specific "sport-internal" award for achievements in boxing that would be different. But the "Sports Personality" award isn't just about being good at your chosen sport, it's supposed to be about a bit more than that.

[Niamh.]

Someone with a question mark over their past behaviour who has overcome their demons and can stand up and say "I used to hold some awful opinions and say some awful things - I look back and see things differently now, and here's why ... ..." may well still be deserving of accolades...

Yes agree with that. If someone has a genuine change of heart and really realises how awful and damaging their opinions were then fair enough but his "apology" was just lip service

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Someone with a question mark over their past behaviour who has overcome their demons and can stand up and say "I used to hold some awful opinions and say some awful things - I look back and see things differently now, and here's why ... ..." may well still be deserving of accolades...

Yes agree with that. If someone has a genuine change of heart and really realises how awful and damaging their opinions were then fair enough but his "apology" was just lip service

But how many people keep their true feelings hidden, and people think they are so great but deep down they are full of hate.

You can despise your Boss but don’t tell them what you really think because you would lose your job.

Philip Schofield kept his secret for at least 17 years afraid of the consequences.

People have skeletons in their closets.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

But how many people keep their true feelings hidden, and people think they are so great but deep down they are full of hate.

You can despise your Boss but don’t tell them what you really think because you would lose your job.

Philip Schofield kept his secret for at least 17 years afraid of the consequences.

People have skeletons in their closets.

That has literally nothing to do with the point I made. Tyson Fury made his vile opinions public so therefore everybody knows what they are.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That has literally nothing to do with the point I made. Tyson Fury made his vile opinions public so therefore everybody knows what they are.

You can have an opinion on some one for some thing they have have said but there are plenty of people that are under the radar.

And how do we know people have changed because they say so.

How many criminals have told the parole board they are going straight just to get out of jail.

People can say all sorts of things, it’s weather they truly believe in them is my point.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can have an opinion on some one for some thing they have have said but there are plenty of people that are under the radar.

And how do we know people have changed because they say so.

How many criminals have told the parole board they are going straight just to get out of jail.

People can say all sorts of things, it’s weather they truly believe in them is my point.

I honestly have no idea why you're going on about Philip Schofield and parole boards. Yes people can say whatever they want and yes it's up to you whether you believe them or not, that's literally the point I made, I didn't believe his last "apology"

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I honestly have no idea why you're going on about Philip Schofield and parole boards. Yes people can say whatever they want and yes it's up to you whether you believe them or not, that's literally the point I made, I didn't believe his last "apology"

That’s right and even if he did there is no real way of proving he has changed.

So even if apologised you would still hold the same view of him.

People rarely change there minds.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

That’s right and even if he did there is no real way of proving he has changed.

So even if apologised you would still hold the same view of him.

People rarely change there minds.

So basically all the last few posts from you to me was a long winded way of calling me a liar? Gotcha

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So basically all the last few posts from you to me was a long winded way of calling me a liar? Gotcha

No way am I calling you a liar.

It’s face value, what he said don’t stop you watching his fights.

Christians believe being gay is a sin so I cant see him going back on his faith.

It’s about how much you want to invest in a stranger.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Eligible", sure, but I'd have some serious questions about the panel making the decision to actually award, if that's the direction they went with it? If it was a case of it being "stripped" or something that's different - an award especially designed for one purpose that just "isn't given" - but that's not the case with the sports personality award... there are plenty of other candidates that it could go to. I'd much prefer he get it at a later date, when he's actually shown some real evidence of change/remorse, beyond a couple of statements that sound like they were written by a PR team and read off a sheet.

Someone with a question mark over their past behaviour who has overcome their demons and can stand up and say "I used to hold some awful opinions and say some awful things - I look back and see things differently now, and here's why ... ..." may well still be deserving of accolades...

Someone who has just said "Wups sorry didn't mean it, wasn't well"? It doesn't look enough like change, to me.

Like I said he's not a criminal or anything, I don't think he should be under any punitive measures or sanctions or anything like that within the sport itself. Even if it was a specific "sport-internal" award for achievements in boxing that would be different. But the "Sports Personality" award isn't just about being good at your chosen sport, it's supposed to be about a bit more than that.

Wups?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No way am I calling you a liar.

It’s face value, what he said don’t stop you watching his fights.

Christians believe being gay is a sin so I cant see him going back on his faith.

It’s about how much you want to invest in a stranger.

You literally just did though but ok..........

Christian values say a woman's place is on her back too eh?

What do you mean how much I want to invest in a stranger? I'm not investing anything in him, I'm just giving my opinion on the guy, bloody hell

[Livia]

He's a fraction above the people who park their caravans on public land, nick stuff out of people's sheds and leave the place like a pig sty when they leave.

And if he finds that racist or offensive... in five years I will say I was wrong.