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Old 29-03-2020, 11:47 AM   #1
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Default Government: 20,000 CoVid deaths is a good result

Absolutely diabolical, South Korea has a population of 55 million and only has 144 deaths, acting like 20,000 deaths is a good result is disgusting. The government ignored the WHO’s advice and should be held accountable


(I know there’s a corona thread but it’s fast moving and I think this is an important topic)

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Old 29-03-2020, 11:53 AM   #2
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"20,000"

Yes not a good way to talk of this
Covid 19.

Thats a way High amount.

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i think it's important that experts are realistic in the numbers they present to us.

Just to put it in to perspective. If we had done nothing, the expected death toll would have been 500,000, if we had kept to basic social distancing, the death rate would be 250,000

Other countries may have done better in the short term because they were more rigorous with isolation, but they are all seeing rises again now. They haven't beaten it yet ... nothing like it
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i think it's important that experts are realistic in the numbers they present to us.

Just to put it in to perspective. If we had done nothing, the expected death toll would have been 500,000, if we had kept to basic social distancing, the death rate would be 250,000

Other countries may have done better in the short term because they were more rigorous with isolation, but they are all seeing rises again now. They haven't beaten it yet ... nothing like it
If we had done more the death toll would be much lower, just because itís not astronomical doesnít mean 20,000 deaths is good
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Absolutely diabolical, South Korea has a population of 55 million and only has 144 deaths, acting like 20,000 deaths is a good result is disgusting. The government ignored the WHO’s advice and should be held accountable


(I know there’s a corona thread but it’s fast moving and I think this is an important topic)
I agree.

Also it's probably best for that guy to apologise and come up with a much lower number and make out that the original statistic was a "mistake" so that people don't panic.

I'd say 5,000 deaths or something around that mark if I was him.
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i think it's important that experts are realistic in the numbers they present to us.

Just to put it in to perspective. If we had done nothing, the expected death toll would have been 500,000, if we had kept to basic social distancing, the death rate would be 250,000

Other countries may have done better in the short term because they were more rigorous with isolation, but they are all seeing rises again now. They haven't beaten it yet ... nothing like it
So the experts are at fault? Not the initial botched approach from this govt?
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That would be in the ball park of seasonal flu deaths so yes a good outcome. And many of those who will die with Covid would likely have died this year even without the virus. Most of the Western world will experience the same so the chances of us somehow uniquely avoiding a high death count were very slim. I know that Korea has been able to control the outbreak better but they were much better equipped from the beginning because of the Sars outbreak a few years ago. It is better to compare us to other European countries rather than Asian ones
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It’s harsh to say but that probably is a good outcome. You can not prevent people dieing if people do not follow instructions

You also can not compare Asia to Europe in my opinion, the cultures are different and in Asia people typically listen to their governments instruction/are less rebellious, which is why China has succeeded so well.
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It’s harsh to say but that probably is a good outcome. You can not prevent people dieing if people do not follow instructions
You CAN prevent people dying if you (as a government) act quicker though

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Why don't they impose lockdowns and testing programmes to reduce the number that die of flu every year?
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That would be in the ball park of seasonal flu deaths so yes a good outcome. And many of those who will die with Covid would likely have died this year even without the virus. Most of the Western world will experience the same so the chances of us somehow uniquely avoiding a high death count were very slim. I know that Korea has been able to control the outbreak better but they were much better equipped from the beginning because of the Sars outbreak a few years ago. It is better to compare us to other European countries rather than Asian ones
How are we to know that is inclusive of those who die of seasonal flu?

I don't understand how Asian countries should be expected to be better equipped, we had contingency planning for SARS and MERS too.
Every country knew the dangers of a pandemic, it would be better to say that our response knowing the seriousness of the threat was seriously lacking.
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So the experts are at fault? Not the initial botched approach from this govt?

100% Johnson PM
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he had Harder warnings
ignored them.
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Why don't they impose lockdowns and testing programmes to reduce the number that die of flu every year?
You are able to have a flu jab for seasonal flu, there's no vaccine for this.
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Because there are new flu vaccines every year that provide a layer of protection to the most at risk.
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100% Johnson PM
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he had Harder warnings
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Not only did he ignore, he was willing to let it run through the population unchecked at one point.
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Why don't they impose lockdowns and testing programmes to reduce the number that die of flu every year?
Because
thats the luck of draw
if you get Normal Flu
in the whole World



This China Virus Covid 19 Killer
is NOTHING like Flu
is Instant Death to many old folks
Some strong old folks can beat it , of course.


From a SkyNewsHD report
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The attitude that ‘oh, it’s only the people that are likely to die anyway, so it’s a good result’ is actually abhorrent, what an awful outlook to have about thousands of people dying of something that could have been handled if the people in charge acted much sooner than they did.
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Not only did he ignore, he was willing to let it run through the population unchecked at one point.

Yes more will Die
because Johnson PM
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100% Johnson PM
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he had Harder warnings
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Yep this has been floating about since January I've read, his pig headed ideas on herd immunity have cost countless lives.
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The attitude that Ďoh, itís only the people that are likely to die anyway, so itís a good resultí is actually abhorrent, what an awful outlook to have about thousands of people dying of something that could have been handled if the people in charge acted much sooner than they did.

Yes Johnson PM said week ago
by now 25,000 tests a day.

Live on SkyNewsHD and Marr BBC1HD
Gove claimed he reached 10,000 a day.

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Yep this has been floating about since January I've read, his pig headed ideas on herd immunity have cost countless lives.

Yes Johnson PM
Guilty as charged.

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Because there are new flu vaccines every year that provide a layer of protection to the most at risk.
But it still kills about 18,000 people a year and that could be reduced with stronger measures.

Also there's years when the flu vaccine is not well matched to the strain that is going about, and it doesn't do much good. More about that here -
https://www.insider.com/how-effective-is-the-flu-shot
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But it still kills about 18,000 people a year and that could be reduced with stronger measures.

Also there's years when the flu vaccine is not well matched to the strain that is going about, and it doesn't do much good. More about that here -
https://www.insider.com/how-effective-is-the-flu-shot
add Worldwide?
how can you miss saying Worldwide

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Boris actually said 250,000 tests, it was the expert next to him who said 25,000.. 10,000 will be a generous estimate too.
Nobody I know that rang 111 with symptoms has been offered a test.
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Influenza spreads around the world in yearly outbreaks, resulting in about three to five million cases of severe illness and about 290,000 to 650,000 deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza
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