[Zizu]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No you bloody well won’t and this should not be discussed openly on the forum or is mob rule from now on

The post above has rather threatening undertones ...


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[Kizzy]

Ts is making a really valid point I totally agree, if you have any illness or virus that requires rest to fight off you should be off work and resting, it's common sense.
Boris spent so many years trying to get into no 10 he's understandably reluctant to hand over the reins, looks like now he doesn't have a choice. I wouldn't wish this on anyone and obvously hope he recovers asap.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ts is making a really valid point I totally agree, if you have any illness or virus that requires rest to fight off you should be off work and resting, it's common sense.
Boris spent so many years trying to get into no 10 he's understandably reluctant to hand over the reins, looks like now he doesn't have a choice. I wouldn't wish this on anyone and obvously hope he recovers asap.

I actually do feel for the guy ( ) because in a position of authority like that it's not even as simple as checking out - even if he did totally hand over to someone else, can a PM really sleep soundly and not be in a state of extreme stress? In fact not being kept totally up-to-date might even make the stress worse. It's a bit of a Catch-22.

My wife was talking about a similar thing a few days ago, how things are different for Mental Health staff in wards vs in community MH/addictions. In the wards when you clock off, you hand over your patients to the next person on shift. In the community your patients are your patients... you can still take annual leave, you can still be off sick if you're sick, but you still feel responsible for those people and think about how they're getting on in your absense, worry about them if they seemed in a bad way when you last saw them, etc. She's quite worried about this at the moment actually - phone contact only, and much less contact than normal even with that. For obvious reasons, but she still feels a duty of care for those people and it isn't quite being met under the exceptional circumstances.

I imagine you could scale that up country-wide for a PM. Even if he takes time off, he'll still overall feel responsible. Then again... neither are the sort of job I'd take on, for that reason. I know I need to be able to clock out from work outside of work hours and not worry about what's happening. People know the responsibilities they're taking on... but it still must not be the easiest thing in the world.

/ ramble.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No you bloody well won’t and this should not be discussed openly on the forum or is mob rule from now on

Screaming @ you telling a mod not to do their job

[arista]

[Boris Johnson still in hospital because
'his symptoms remain persistent' ]


He is not getting better

I would say he is on Oxygen
but will not let anyone know of that fact.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11969302

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually do feel for the guy ( ) because in a position of authority like that it's not even as simple as checking out - even if he did totally hand over to someone else, can a PM really sleep soundly and not be in a state of extreme stress? In fact not being kept totally up-to-date might even make the stress worse. It's a bit of a Catch-22.

My wife was talking about a similar thing a few days ago, how things are different for Mental Health staff in wards vs in community MH/addictions. In the wards when you clock off, you hand over your patients to the next person on shift. In the community your patients are your patients... you can still take annual leave, you can still be off sick if you're sick, but you still feel responsible for those people and think about how they're getting on in your absense, worry about them if they seemed in a bad way when you last saw them, etc. She's quite worried about this at the moment actually - phone contact only, and much less contact than normal even with that. For obvious reasons, but she still feels a duty of care for those people and it isn't quite being met under the exceptional circumstances.

I imagine you could scale that up country-wide for a PM. Even if he takes time off, he'll still overall feel responsible. Then again... neither are the sort of job I'd take on, for that reason. I know I need to be able to clock out from work outside of work hours and not worry about what's happening. People know the responsibilities they're taking on... but it still must not be the easiest thing in the world.

/ ramble.

Well I can see the comparison to an extent, however I'd say his motives were more about relinquishing power than any noble sense of responsibility.

[bots]

The maximum wait on tests would have been a couple of hours, so there is a more fundamental reason for him being in hospital.

He will be getting the best possible treatment available, we know that, so we will just have to see how it pans out

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well I can see the comparison to an extent, however I'd say his motives were more about relinquishing power than any noble sense of responsibility.

he may look random, but he is a very driven guy, and those types of people tend to focus on things till they are done, they can't help it .... i used to be like that until i got older and wiser

So yes, he won't want to relinquish the reins, but if he is knocked out by a sedative he doesn't have any choice

[James]

I got his letter in the mail today.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

[Boris Johnson still in hospital because
'his symptoms remain persistent' ]


He is not getting better

I would say he is on Oxygen
but will not let anyone know of that fact.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11969302

Maybe, worth mentioning though that there's a difference between oxygen on demand via mask (which a lot of moderate cases benefit from) and being on full ventilator. There's also other reasons to be in, like being on fluids if the main issue is the fever. To keep things in perspective - it's worth remembering that 20% of cases need hospital treatment but only about 5% of cases are critical (needing ICU / ventilator). 3/4 of hospital treated cases are not critical so it's still more likely than not that he'll be OK - unless we hear that he's been transferred to ICU. That's when survival rate drops to 50/50.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

[Boris Johnson still in hospital because
'his symptoms remain persistent' ]


He is not getting better

I would say he is on Oxygen
but will not let anyone know of that fact.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11969302

So pure speculation on your part ??

I haven’t seen anything about it ‘going onto his lungs OR him being on oxygen ..

They’ve just said he’s had tests done because he’s still got the fever


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe, worth mentioning though that there's a difference between oxygen on demand via mask (which a lot of moderate cases benefit from) and being on full ventilator. There's also other reasons to be in, like being on fluids if the main issue is the fever. To keep things in perspective - it's worth remembering that 20% of cases need hospital treatment but only about 5% of cases are critical (needing ICU / ventilator). 3/4 of hospital treated cases are not critical so it's still more likely than not that he'll be OK - unless we hear that he's been transferred to ICU. That's when survival rate drops to 50/50.

If Course
but sadly all that transfer
could be told to the Public - a Day later,

He even has a Armed Guard
as he should have.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

I got his letter in the mail today.

Boris still sending mail from his hospital bed.

Burn it though James, it'll be covered in the Covids.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by James

I got his letter in the mail today.

same wash your hands!

[James]

Originally Posted by Cherie

same wash your hands!

I do that with all the mail.

[bots]

i have a quarantine system for my deliveries now. Anything that is paper/cardboard doesnt get handled for 8 hours, anything solid doesnt get handled for 72 hours

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i have a quarantine system for my deliveries now. Anything that is paper/cardboard doesnt get handled for 8 hours, anything solid doesnt get handled for 72 hours

I just remove the outer packaging layer & bin then wash hands. The likelihood of catching anything from inside a letter or parcel after delivery is tiny.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by James

I do that with all the mail.

Yes but you need an extra Happy Birthday

[user104658]

Ooh I got my letter from Boris too, this thread reminded me that I sat a pile of post to the side today because our Kalimba arrived and I got excited



It was well packaged so won't have any covids on it

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i have a quarantine system for my deliveries now. Anything that is paper/cardboard doesnt get handled for 8 hours, anything solid doesnt get handled for 72 hours

We do similar plus clean most things with an antibacterial wipe ..

Maybe better to extend your paper/cardboard time as well .

Tests in the US show that the virus lives on copper for 4 hours , paper/cardboard for 24 hours and plastic / stainless steel or similar for 3 DAYS


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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

We do similar plus clean most things with an antibacterial wipe ..

Maybe better to extend your paper/cardboard time as well .

Tests in the US show that the virus lives on copper for 4 hours , paper/cardboard for 24 hours and plastic / stainless steel or similar for 3 DAYS


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I read 9 days on metal surfaces :/

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ooh I got my letter from Boris too, this thread reminded me that I sat a pile of post to the side today because our Kalimba arrived and I got excited



It was well packaged so won't have any covids on it

Yes I have one of Those
Earth Wind & Fire
Great Band Leader
The Late Maurice White Plays the Kalimba
mic 'ed up on stage.

The African Finger Keyboard
can get out of tune , though.............

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ooh I got my letter from Boris too, this thread reminded me that I sat a pile of post to the side today because our Kalimba arrived and I got excited



It was well packaged so won't have any covids on it

How strange, I fell in a YouTube hole and wound up watching a woman play one of these bet it kills your fingertips at first.. don't be cheap

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I read 9 days on metal surfaces :/

Only in very specific circumstances, things like temperature changes and movement affect it. Like it was found after 9 days on some surfaces in cabins on the "infected" cruise ship, because the rooms had been blocked off totally untouched for that whole time and the temperature was pretty constant. Also it's always just "up to" x hours/days, it CAN survive on those surfaces for that amount of time but the risk drops considerably quite quickly.

Obviously still take precautions though.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How strange, I fell in a YouTube hole and wound up watching a woman play one of these bet it kills your fingertips at first.. don't be cheap

Not too bad on fingertips but you have to watch your nails!