[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you actually read the article it basically says that the Government followed the scientific evidence from The CMO and the scientific committee. The article has very little to say other than it's easy now to see what should have been done in Feb

And yet here's another whiney anti-government thread.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

And yet here's another whiney anti-government thread.

Anti-incompetence, not anti-government, major difference

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm not sure this is as damaging a report as its being made out

This is an interesting thread by someone who has examined the minutes of meetings carried out by Nervtag - New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group - in Jan and Feb

Quite interesting to see the likes of Owen Jones - who has ranted against the Murdoch media for years - now swearing by their journalism. And as for what's trending on Twitter, that's always been completely disconnected with public opinion. I remember in the 2019 election Labour content and supporters totally dominated Twitter to the extent they thought they were going to come good on election day

I'm sure there will have been failings and mistakes made across numerous bodies - the government sure but also Sage, PHE etc - and they'll be able to be assessed in time. This desperation that we need to assign blame right now and get the pitchforks out is crazy though, as is the idea that our PM should resign right in the middle of the worst peacetime crisis in the last century - we need a stable government.

For perspective. .

30th Jan the WHO declare a global public health emergency and boris addresses the nation on 31st about....brexit.

2nd March NERVTAG predict 500,000 deaths in a nation of 70 million, 3rd March boris addresses the nation to cheerfully boast about shaking hands with Covid patients in hospital.

That's the reality of the situation, it's wouldn't have mattered if the scientists had screamed in his ear with a megaphone. ..Boris does what boris wants.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Anti-incompetence, not anti-government, major difference

Well, the government are being called incompetent. Don't see people claiming the same about Italy and Spain. Anyone can say now that they would have done things differently.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

2nd March NERVTAG predict 500,000 deaths in a nation of 70 million, 3rd March boris addresses the nation to cheerfully boast about shaking hands with Covid patients in hospital.

To be fair - unless something DRASTICALLY changes, 500k deaths seems like a huge over-estimation at this point.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

And yet here's another whiney anti-government thread.

And here you are as usual not to comment on the thread but to have a whine.. Go police chat and games Livia they don't talk about issues affecting our lives that much there I'll bet the government is rarely mentioned!

You will never stop anyone having or voicing their views and opinions, it makes me wonder why you indulge in this charade every time anyone posts any critique.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, the government are being called incompetent. Don't see people claiming the same about Italy and Spain. Anyone can say now that they would have done things differently.

Because most of the users on this forum are/live in the UK? It’s a forum centred around Big Brother UK ffs, of course posters are going to focus on our government.

If you look at Germany for example you can see how they followed the correct measures, I believe it’s mentioned in the article. As for the scientific advisers, they’re advisers, not leaders of our country, they don’t make the decisions, the government shall be hold accountable.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And here you are as usual not to comment on the thread but to have a whine.. Go police chat and games Livia they don't talk about issues affecting our lives that much there I'll bet the government is rarely mentioned!

You will never stop anyone having or voicing their views and opinions, it makes me wonder why you indulge in this charade every time anyone posts any critique.

Well said kizzy!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And here you are as usual not to comment on the thread but to have a whine.. Go police chat and games Livia they don't talk about issues affecting our lives that much there I'll bet the government is rarely mentioned!

You will never stop anyone having or voicing their views and opinions, it makes me wonder why you indulge in this charade every time anyone posts any critique.

Well, fortunately you don't get to say what I say or where I say it.

Stick to the topic and please stop discussing me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

Because most of the users on this forum are/live in the UK? It’s a forum centred around Big Brother UK ffs, of course posters are going to focus on our government.

If you look at Germany for example you can see how they followed the correct measures, I believe it’s mentioned in the article. As for the scientific advisers, they’re advisers, not leaders of our country, they don’t make the decisions, the government shall be hold accountable.

I was going to reply until you added the FFS.

Now you can FO.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair - unless something DRASTICALLY changes, 500k deaths seems like a huge over-estimation at this point.

At which point.. this was the observations in late feb/ March from NERVTAG prior to lockdown. You might not agree but that's besides the point, I've heard of armchair psychology but armchair epidemiology?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

For perspective. .

30th Jan the WHO declare a global public health emergency and boris addresses the nation on 31st about....brexit.

2nd March NERVTAG predict 500,000 deaths in a nation of 70 million, 3rd March boris addresses the nation to cheerfully boast about shaking hands with Covid patients in hospital.

That's the reality of the situation, it's wouldn't have mattered if the scientists had screamed in his ear with a megaphone. ..Boris does what boris wants.

Maybe because we left the EU on the 31st Brexit was slightly relevant. At that time we had 2 cases in the UK

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

armchair epidemiology?

And what exactly is it that you think you're doing Kizzy? If you're going to start applying "rules" to people's opinions, you could at least apply them to yourself as well. You seem to have very strong opinions on what should/shouldn't have been done and what effect those actions will have had. You're very, very sure about it, in fact? And of how much better things would be now if only things had been done the way Dr Kizzy Hindsight thinks they should have been done? Have you been secretly night-schooling in virology to gain the upper hand in TiBB soapboxing?

Glass houses, stones, etc...

[Denver]

Do people really expect a 2 year lockdown the second news spreads of the first case?

A lockdown is not easy and you cant just close everything without serious though.

Also WHO have backtracked a few times so they are nit that reliable

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, the government are being called incompetent. Don't see people claiming the same about Italy and Spain. Anyone can say now that they would have done things differently.

They will be held accountable by their own people, we are concerned with our own response and there is nothing wrong with questioning that.

I think you are being really unfair and more than a little insensitive to Italy seeing as they were affected so quickly and severely. .. They had precious little time to prepare, we on the other hand had Italy as a model we saw the spread and the deaths and still dragged our heels.

[Denver]

At the end of the day lockdown the country was not realistic in Jamuary when little was known

[arista]

Originally Posted by Samm

Because most of the users on this forum are/live in the UK? It’s a forum centred around Big Brother UK ffs, of course posters are going to focus on our government.

If you look at Germany for example you can see how they followed the correct measures, I believe it’s mentioned in the article. As for the scientific advisers, they’re advisers, not leaders of our country, they don’t make the decisions, the government shall be hold accountable.

Yes Samm
Roche have loads of testing labs
Nothing like the UK.
We have yet to build more
than the 2 new testing labs they have.

We have to become "in house"
Stop posting Our English tests to Roche in Germany

[user104658]

We don't even know yet if strict lockdown AT ALL was a good idea, we won't know for years, I personally still think the after-effects are probably going to be so far beyond what people are imagining that it'll be viewed, in historic terms, as a catastrophic global error of judgement. A chapter entitled "lol... wups" in the history books of the year 2220. My feeling is that the next decade is going to make the last few months look like a holiday camp, and 1000-deaths-a-day look like good old times.

But we'll see, I guess. As Kizzy points out I'm not an expert but then there are no experts in any of this, because the world is in entirely uncharted territory, feeling its way along a wall like Sandra Bullock in a blindfold. So there's that.

We'll see, I guess.

[arista]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

At the end of the day lockdown the country was not realistic in January when little was known

Yes no Death count then.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And what exactly is it that you think you're doing Kizzy? If you're going to start applying "rules" to people's opinions, you could at least apply them to yourself as well. You seem to have very strong opinions on what should/shouldn't have been done and what effect those actions will have had. You're very, very sure about it, in fact? And of how much better things would be now if only things had been done the way Dr Kizzy Hindsight thinks they should have been done? Have you been secretly night-schooling in virology to gain the upper hand in TiBB soapboxing?

Glass houses, stones, etc...

Hit a nerve there I see... if I've had an opinion I've backed it with fact, you did the opposite, you took the fact NERVTAG were advising the pandemic may see half a million dead and you countered with your opinion.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We don't even know yet if strict lockdown AT ALL was a good idea, we won't know for years, I personally still think the after-effects are probably going to be so far beyond what people are imagining that it'll be viewed, in historic terms, as a catastrophic global error of judgement. A chapter entitled "lol... wups" in the history books of the year 2220. My feeling is that the next decade is going to make the last few months look like a holiday camp, and 1000-deaths-a-day look like good old times.

But we'll see, I guess. As Kizzy points out I'm not an expert but then there are no experts in any of this, because the world is in entirely uncharted territory, feeling its way along a wall like Sandra Bullock in a blindfold. So there's that.

We'll see, I guess.

The country was lockdown because people didnt care they was advised to social distance so what did that do? Get closer to strangers then they get have done.

It was a very last case scenario that could have been avoided

And it seems to work for Sweden as they dont have a massive death count

[arista]

[arista]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hit a nerve there I see... if I've had an opinion I've backed it with fact, you did the opposite, you took the fact NERVTAG were advising the pandemic may see half a million dead and you countered with your opinion.

You did hit a nerve Kizzy - there's nothing I like less than a hypocrite, and you soapbox your opinions on here dressed up as "fact" on the daily... which is fine... but then to take issue with other people and make sarcastic comments for having a counter-opinion? Ridiculous.

Cherry picking scattered segments of information that happen to suit your political agenda does not constitute "backing yourself up with facts".

[arista]