[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Prostate owner, if you must.

Well, from prostate pleaser to prostate owner, keep your GOB SHUT.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Well, from prostate pleaser to prostate owner, keep your GOB SHUT.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Then why use Twitter and her celebrity status and wording that is questionable if not objectionable to stir up controversy and fear. That helps no one.

People are getting riled up at Emma Watson for using her celebrity platform to be a feminist, and also to oppose Rowling. It goes both ways.

See, I genuinely don't see it as a means of causing controversy or fear. As far as I'm concerned, both JK Rowling and Emma Watson should be able to say whatever they like on social media.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

See, I genuinely don't see it as a means of causing controversy or fear. As far as I'm concerned, both JK Rowling and Emma Watson should be able to say whatever they like on social media.

As do I but I still think she could have mentioned that the abuse JK was getting wasnt right, leaving that out is almost the same is saying its justified and I hope that's not what she was saying

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Aww how lovely, thank you! And thank him from me too!

Will do

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As do I but I still think she could have mentioned that the abuse JK was getting was right, leaving that out is almost the same is saying its justified and I hope that's not what she was saying

That would require her to actually add substance to her words.

She's basically a "L'Oreal girl for feminism", she doesn't do much.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Is that Emma Watson stuff aimed at me lady.

I don't object to Emma Watson being a feminist or any other of the causes she puts her name to. I object to her shallowness on the subjects. She plops herself on podiums parroting slogans and phrases getting herself a pat on the back from minority groups and other women for being a "strong advocate" but then when (like now) the cause calls for a more nuanced and detailed actual discussion on the issue, she can't. It's shallow and meaningless and shows her up for the banal ambassador she is. A face and nothing more.

I don't think JKR's words have stirred up any fear. The fear has come from the absolutely ridiculous twisting of her words.

Emma had a moment there where people were calling for her input due to the Harry Potter link and she chose it to post 2 tweets that said.... nothing at all. And by simply saying nothing other than basically "trans women are women" it's almost like she's justifying and enabling the gross twisting of JKR's own words and the backlash she has received. It's completely gross and certainly not feminist.

I agree with Marsh here (yuk!).

My issue with the Potter franchise kids is not that they have differing opinions to JK Rowling... It's that they haven't bothered to - or don't have the ability to - engage her in discussion about it directly to express what it is they disagree with. Beyond that, they haven't even publicly managed to state a case in their own words for why they specifically disagree with her, when they're some of the few people who have a valid platform to do just that.

All they've done is pop their heads up, bleat a group-think mantra which I'm sorry I just cannot ****ing stand. Catchphrases for people who can't articulate their own thoughts to parrot "in support of X, Y, Z"... No. No thank you. As your ol primary school teacher might have said... "show your working". They say that for a reason. You show your reasoning so that people know you understand what you're saying and didn't copy it from the person sat next to you... Because if you did, you don't get the marks.

So yes, anyway, off track a little: I'm repulsed by the response of the Potter kids because it wasn't the personal or thought out response of people who actually give a ****, it was the parroted response of a group of celebrities who are worried that their own image might be attached to JK Rowling and are keen to express otherwise, to appease the fan base, and I imagine to protect their own image. It is shallow. I have very little time for it.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As do I but I still think she could have mentioned that the abuse JK was getting wasnt right, leaving that out is almost the same is saying its justified and I hope that's not what she was saying

Yeah, I agree with you. However, that would mean she'd have to be gutsy enough to go against the mob mentality online.

It's terrible, really, especially on Twitter. You're vilified when you do give your opinion but you're also called out for your silence.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree with Marsh here (yuk!)

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree with Marsh here (yuk!).

My issue with the Potter franchise kids is not that they have differing opinions to JK Rowling... It's that they haven't bothered to - or don't have the ability to - engage her in discussion about it directly to express what it is they disagree with. Beyond that, they haven't even publicly managed to state a case in their own words for why they specifically disagree with her, when they're some of the few people who have a valid platform to do just that.

All they've done is pop their heads up, bleat a group-think mantra which I'm sorry I just cannot ****ing stand. Catchphrases for people who can't articulate their own thoughts to parrot "in support of X, Y, Z"... No. No thank you. As your ol primary school teacher might have said... "show your working". They say that for a reason. You show your reasoning so that people know you understand what you're saying and didn't copy it from the person sat next to you... Because if you did, you don't get the marks.

So yes, anyway, off track a little: I'm repulsed by the response of the Potter kids because it wasn't the personal or thought out response of people who actually give a ****, it was the parroted response of a group of celebrities who are worried that their own image might be attached to JK Rowling and are keen to express otherwise, to appease the fan base, and I imagine to protect their own image. It is shallow. I have very little time for it.

Exactly. This "ambassador for women's rights" had a moment to... be an ambassador for women's rights and got her PA to roll out a stock PR answer from the "basic phrases" handbook.

I found Daniel Radcliffe's response laughable too when he basically told people he was sorry she'd ruined the books for them. Apologising on her behalf AND justifying their "hatred" of her but without saying why. That does not work on so many levels.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. This "ambassador for women's rights" had a moment to... be an ambassador for women's rights and got her PA to roll out a stock PR answer from the "basic phrases" handbook.

I found Daniel Radcliffe's response laughable too when he basically told people he was sorry she'd ruined the books for them. Apologising on her behalf AND justifying their "hatred" of her but without saying why. That does not work on so many levels.

I'm mainly baffled by the idea that you have to agree with a creative to enjoy their material. I mean... So many things I've loved - books, music (so much music lol), so many films and TV shows, created by people who personally I think are objectively just awful but when did it become the case that you're only allowed to enjoy entertainment created by people you agree with politically? I'd just be sat here doing nothing all the time .

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. This "ambassador for women's rights" had a moment to... be an ambassador for women's rights and got her PA to roll out a stock PR answer from the "basic phrases" handbook.

I found Daniel Radcliffe's response laughable too when he basically told people he was sorry she'd ruined the books for them. Apologising on her behalf AND justifying their "hatred" of her but without saying why. That does not work on so many levels.

Which in itself sort of says to people, don't hate me because I'm the face of Harry Potter who reminds you of that nasty lady who wants all trans people dead in your eyes, cause I love you, honest!

I'm sure that isn't the case, but yeah, it does make it extremely easy to be cynical.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Which in itself sort of says to people, don't hate me because I'm the face of Harry Potter who reminds you of that nasty lady who wants all trans people dead in your eyes, cause I love you, honest!

I'm sure that isn't the case, but yeah, it does make it extremely easy to be cynical.

Exactly.

The progressive and the conservative are kind of merging into one huge fascist voice and it's disturbing.

Another funny one was all the tweets all bleating about how "She didn't learn from her own stories about love" and it seems they missed the big ****ing allegory on fascism right at the heart of them.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly.

The progressive and the conservative are kind of merging into one huge fascist voice and it's disturbing.

Another funny one was all the tweets all bleating about how "She didn't learn from her own stories about love" and it seems they missed the big ****ing allegory on fascism right at the heart of them.

The best was an article by Pink News which is one of the leading media outlets in terms of news affecting the LGBTQ community which basically accused her of planting the seeds of transphobia in Prisoner of Azkaban when Neville makes the Boggart Snape dress up in his grandmother's dresses. Yes, really. I swiftly unfollowed them having been a reader of them for a good few years.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

The best was an article by Pink News which is one of the leading media outlets in terms of news affecting the LGBTQ community which basically accused her of planting the seeds of transphobia in Prisoner of Azkaban when Neville makes the Boggart Snape dress up in his grandmother's dresses. Yes, really. I swiftly unfollowed them having been a reader of them for a good few years.

Not them fighting for us to dispense with gender stereotypes but then reinforcing them by suggesting a man wearing a dress is trans.

Or the ones accusing her of it because she has a male pseudonym.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Some balance from a transsexual themselves.

https://thepostmillennial.com/jk-row...just-sensitive

Making the valid point that if biological sex doesn't exist, kind of invalidates trans people too as they "transition" for a reason.

The claim that JK has poured hatred and justified violence against transpeople is one of the more laughable claims I've heard.

Oh I've watched some of Blairs videos, I really like her

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I've watched some of Blairs videos, I really like her

She has some interesting insights on trans people, especially considering she is one herself but she's pretty vile outside of that. She's a Trump supporter, she opposed Black Lives Matter and she lied about being victimised at an anti-trump Protest when she crossed the divide and basically kickstarted the altercation herself. She's basically a token minority voice for the right, sadly.

[Kizzy]

Wow it seems a bit base to be reduced to a bleeding uterus....
Where I can see an argument worthy of agreeing with is the Germain Greer one where she argues womanhood (and obv manhood) is a whole life experience shaped by socialisation.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She has some interesting insights on trans people, especially considering she is one herself but she's pretty vile outside of that. She's a Trump supporter, she opposed Black Lives Matter and she lied about being victimised at an anti-trump Protest when she crossed the divide and basically kickstarted the altercation herself. She's basically a token minority voice for the right, sadly.

Oh dear ok.

I see the Sun has been heavily criticised for giving a voice to a domestic violence perpetrator by Domestic Abuse Charities, glad to hear that

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She has some interesting insights on trans people, especially considering she is one herself but she's pretty vile outside of that. She's a Trump supporter, she opposed Black Lives Matter and she lied about being victimised at an anti-trump Protest when she crossed the divide and basically kickstarted the altercation herself. She's basically a token minority voice for the right, sadly.

It's not like you to hold back dezzy...:

[Kizzy]

So... Disneys jungle book is for the chop then?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh dear ok.

I see the Sun has been heavily criticised for giving a voice to a domestic violence perpetrator by Domestic Abuse Charities, glad to hear that

It's a shame really, I have seen clips on issues where she seems quite switched on but she's made her fortune basically telling the right wing what they want to hear. It undermines the things she says that are spot on when she's basically a trans voice for hire.

Yeah, it's unbelievable that they'd do that but then again, it's The Sun. I will always be happy to see it getting dragged through the mud. JK Rowling has annoyed me for years but they shouldn't use the public's dislike of her to give an abuser a platform.

[Niamh.]

The actress who played Luna initially posted a similar tweet as the other HP actors, then she posted another saying the abuse JK Rowling was getting was too much....she then had to delete her account because of the abuse she got herself for saying that

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCriti...account_after/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The actress who played Luna initially posted a similar tweet as the other HP actors, then she posted another saying the abuse JK Rowling was getting was too much....she then had to delete her account because of the abuse she got herself for saying that

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCriti...account_after/

why do people post on that cesspit, she has done herself a favour

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

why do people post on that cesspit, she has done herself a favour

I honestly believe that early-21st-century Social Media will be looked back on by historians as an absolute disaster. Forget Trump, forget Farage, forget Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson and the countless others... the common thread in the descent into competing tribes of dumb hive-mind ****ing nonsense is Social Media. Full stop.