[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Personally, I'd be upset that one of my friends only used it as a troll, rather than to contribute to any discussion, but we're all different.

I think that’s quite unfair, the article is an interesting and thought provoking read, you post a lot of similar stuff from the opposite spectrum so not sure why one would be considered trolling while the other would be considered fine

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think that’s quite unfair, the article is an interesting and thought provoking read, you post a lot of similar stuff from the opposite spectrum so not sure why one would be considered trolling while the other would be considered fine

The article wasn't the post I was referring to, and nor just in this thread.

Absolutely, the article is thread worthy.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm surprised.

That I read?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The article wasn't the post I was referring to, and nor just in this thread.

Absolutely, the article is thread worthy.

Oh right I only read the article and the last few posts

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh right I only read the article and the last few posts

Apology accepted

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That I read?

The expert on Israel is here, didn't you know?

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then they shouldn't support Palestine either

A two state solution shouldn't even be given a speck of consideration until Hamas and Hezbellah are ousted.

You can’t expect the oppressed to just sit there and smile. You basically want there to be no opposition whatsoever and allow Israel to do what they want to the Middle East? Sounds like a great plan there.

You can say what you want about Hezbollah, but if it wasn’t for their resistance then Lebanon would have become another Palestine. Where would it all stop then?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The expert on Israel is here, didn't you know?

Well, if having spent a lot of my working time there in the last few years, have visited because I have family there... and the fact that the reason I work there is because I am qualified in International Law.

Oh.... and I'm a Jew. That doesn't got down too well with people who shout and holler about Israel and Palestine but have been to neither, and have only read what suits their own agenda.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, if having spent a lot of my working time there in the last few years, have visited because I have family there... and the fact that the reason I work there is because I am qualified in International Law.

Oh.... and I'm a Jew. That doesn't got down too well with people who shout and holler about Israel and Palestine but have been to neither, and have only read what suits their own agenda.

i haven't been in Israel or Palestine, i admit

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i haven't been in Israel or Palestine, i admit

People haven't been to war zones either, but happily dehumanise the people fleeing them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, if having spent a lot of my working time there in the last few years, have visited because I have family there... and the fact that the reason I work there is because I am qualified in International Law.



Oh.... and I'm a Jew. That doesn't got down too well with people who shout and holler about Israel and Palestine but have been to neither, and have only read what suits their own agenda.

All of that lived experience would be exceptionally valuable in a debate if you had any interest in sharing or discussing it, but you don't. You just want to say "I have it", and expect that to be the end of the debate, then you're surprised or offended when it isn't.

[Tom4784]

Saying you've been somewhere isn't an argument (Especially when it's so easy to lie online, saying you have done something is never a compelling argument in of itself) and you don't need to have been to a place to have a view on it's politics.

Israel is a country and one that regularly violates human rights and it's been investigated for committing war crimes. To try to paint anyone who criticises Israel as anti-semitic is just plain gross, especially in defense of a country that has comitted such serious attrocities. The Jewish people have suffered more than most under cruel regimes so to use accusations of anti-semitism as a shield to defend a country that's widely known to commit atrocities is quite unpalateable to say the least. I'm not jewish and it's not the same but I'd personally hate it if someone used bigotry towards the LGBT as a shield from accusations of violence. In both cases it undermines the crimes committed against the minority in question.

Now Palestine isn't innocent either but, at the end of the day, when you compare the citizen loss of life between Israel and Palestine, Palestine's civilians have been murdered in much greater numbers than Israel's in the same conflicts. I cannot defend a country that thinks it's justified to regularly murder civilians en masse. It's a simple scale to balance it on and I think both countries should face consequences for their actions but the civilian loss of life makes Israel's offences far more egregious.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, if having spent a lot of my working time there in the last few years, have visited because I have family there... and the fact that the reason I work there is because I am qualified in International Law.

Oh.... and I'm a Jew. That doesn't got down too well with people who shout and holler about Israel and Palestine but have been to neither, and have only read what suits their own agenda.

Aye... expert. Comes in handy for shouting others down, but not much in the way of actual content. Funny that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...we all just assess and comment on what we see, Cherie...well I do, I only ever speak for myself and the things I personally observe...

how nice

[Niamh.]

[The Slim Reaper]