[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If you’re ‘old and frail’ you shouldn’t be out abusing people and starting fights, not everyone has the ability to bite their tongue and not retaliate when they’re attacked and I don’t think they have to either, if you’re tough enough to throw a punch, don’t be surprised when you get something back, old or not

Not to be overly patronising (well... Actually yes to probably be overly patronising) but I suspect you'll feel differently when you're older. Violence in response to violence solves nothing and most people figure that out eventually.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not to be overly patronising (well... Actually yes to probably be overly patronising) but I suspect you'll feel differently when you're older. Violence in response to violence solves nothing and most people figure that out eventually.

I’m 25, not a teenager, my opinions aren’t less valid than yours because you’re middle aged

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m 25, not a teenager, my opinions aren’t less valid than yours because you’re middle aged

They're not more valid either, and my opinion and observation is that people - at least the ones with half a brain - get less inclined to violence and justifying unnecessary violence as they get older.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, really. Maybe your opinion won't change and you'll continue advocating for violent response to violence. In which case my opinion would be that you still have growing up to do.

My opinion on this would have been very different when I was 25.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They're not more valid either, and my opinion and observation is that people - at least the ones with half a brain - get less inclined to violence and justifying unnecessary violence as they get older.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, really. Maybe your opinion won't change and you'll continue advocating for violent response to violence. In which case my opinion would be that you still have growing up to do.

My opinion on this would have been very different when I was 25.

You as a white straight man have nothing to feel frustrated about though do you?

You just moralise to others who have direct experience of prejudice.

Remember you mentioned groupthink recently? You have been told that young people can't rationalise and you've applied it here.
However, you also know that psychologically our experiences shape us as people, that is counter to the 'growing up' or 'maturing brain' theory isn't it? and is personal to each individual.
Liams experiences as a gay man of prejudice might have more to do with his response than how old or younget he may be.

I find the suggestion that a man of 25 is still not seen as having a brain capable of rationale, and when does that begin to decline 40+? So you are only at optimum decision making capacity for 15yrs of your adult life?
How has the human race survived for so long on such limited efficacy?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You as a white straight man have nothing to feel frustrated about though do you?

You just moralise to others who have direct experience of prejudice.

Remember you mentioned groupthink recently? You have been told that young people can't rationalise and you've applied it here.
However, you also know that psychologically our experiences shape us as people, that is counter to the 'growing up' or 'maturing brain' theory isn't it? and is personal to each individual.
Liams experiences as a gay man of prejudice might have more to do with his response than how old or younget he may be.

I find the suggestion that a man of 25 is still not seen as having a brain capable of rationale, and when does that begin to decline 40+? So you are only at optimum decision making capacity for 15yrs of your adult life?
How has the human race survived for so long on such limited efficacy?

The development of abstract reasoning happens in early adolescence (12+ Kizzy, at no point have I tried to say that a 25 year old isn't capable of abstract reasoning ffs . Talk about conflation.

Also are you using "frustration" as advocacy for personal physical violence?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The development of abstract reasoning happens in early adolescence (12+ Kizzy, at no point have I tried to say that a 25 year old isn't capable of abstract reasoning ffs . Talk about conflation.

Also are you using "frustration" as advocacy for personal physical violence?

I'm not talking about abstract reasoning, I'm sure you've skimmed psychnet or such Web pages for insight. However I did suggest that personal experience is what determine future responses. We are not cookie cutter people unfortunately.

No I'm not using frustration to advocate violence, if you read my post again I use frustration to describe the feelings of the prejudiced minority and suggest that may be the catalyst for a difference in opinion from your own very privilege driven logic.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not talking about abstract reasoning, I'm sure you've skimmed psychnet or such Web pages for insight.

If anyone was looking for an example of ad hominem

No I'm not using frustration to advocate violence, if you read my post again I use frustration to describe the feelings of the prejudiced minority and suggest that may be the catalyst for a difference in opinion from your own very privilege driven logic.

Ahh so you're using frustration as a justification for an onlooker advocating violence, rather than frustration of those involved being used as a reason for advocating violence.

I can see the difference but I still don't agree with you. Honestly this thread is an eye opener although I'm not sure why at this point. "How DARE you say that advocating retaliatory violence isn't a good idea!!". It could only be 2020.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not to be overly patronising (well... Actually yes to probably be overly patronising) but I suspect you'll feel differently when you're older. Violence in response to violence solves nothing and most people figure that out eventually.

Then at these right wing get togethers in city centres why are the majority of the participants acting violent 40+?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then at these right wing get togethers in city centres why are the majority of the participants acting violent 40+?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I find that younger people (not saying all do, or that no older people do ) are more inclined to hold that position.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe your opinion won't change and you'll continue advocating for violent response to violence. In which case my opinion would be that you still have growing up to do ..

I cover my bases Kizzy

Those people are not grown ups, and do not have half a brain between them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I cover my bases Kizzy

Those people are not grown ups, and do not have half a brain between them.

Or...you've just disproved your own opinion.

Some young people have a certain response and some older people have a certain response then age is not the factor
You are also implying that intelligence is a factor, which imo Liam disproves because he advocates a certain way and he is very intelligent. So what's left? Life experience.