[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m 25, not a teenager, my opinions aren’t less valid than yours because you’re middle aged

They're not more valid either, and my opinion and observation is that people - at least the ones with half a brain - get less inclined to violence and justifying unnecessary violence as they get older.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, really. Maybe your opinion won't change and you'll continue advocating for violent response to violence. In which case my opinion would be that you still have growing up to do.

My opinion on this would have been very different when I was 25.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They're not more valid either, and my opinion and observation is that people - at least the ones with half a brain - get less inclined to violence and justifying unnecessary violence as they get older.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, really. Maybe your opinion won't change and you'll continue advocating for violent response to violence. In which case my opinion would be that you still have growing up to do.

My opinion on this would have been very different when I was 25.

You as a white straight man have nothing to feel frustrated about though do you?

You just moralise to others who have direct experience of prejudice.

Remember you mentioned groupthink recently? You have been told that young people can't rationalise and you've applied it here.
However, you also know that psychologically our experiences shape us as people, that is counter to the 'growing up' or 'maturing brain' theory isn't it? and is personal to each individual.
Liams experiences as a gay man of prejudice might have more to do with his response than how old or younget he may be.

I find the suggestion that a man of 25 is still not seen as having a brain capable of rationale, and when does that begin to decline 40+? So you are only at optimum decision making capacity for 15yrs of your adult life?
How has the human race survived for so long on such limited efficacy?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You as a white straight man have nothing to feel frustrated about though do you?

You just moralise to others who have direct experience of prejudice.

Remember you mentioned groupthink recently? You have been told that young people can't rationalise and you've applied it here.
However, you also know that psychologically our experiences shape us as people, that is counter to the 'growing up' or 'maturing brain' theory isn't it? and is personal to each individual.
Liams experiences as a gay man of prejudice might have more to do with his response than how old or younget he may be.

I find the suggestion that a man of 25 is still not seen as having a brain capable of rationale, and when does that begin to decline 40+? So you are only at optimum decision making capacity for 15yrs of your adult life?
How has the human race survived for so long on such limited efficacy?

The development of abstract reasoning happens in early adolescence (12+ Kizzy, at no point have I tried to say that a 25 year old isn't capable of abstract reasoning ffs . Talk about conflation.

Also are you using "frustration" as advocacy for personal physical violence?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The development of abstract reasoning happens in early adolescence (12+ Kizzy, at no point have I tried to say that a 25 year old isn't capable of abstract reasoning ffs . Talk about conflation.

Also are you using "frustration" as advocacy for personal physical violence?

I'm not talking about abstract reasoning, I'm sure you've skimmed psychnet or such Web pages for insight. However I did suggest that personal experience is what determine future responses. We are not cookie cutter people unfortunately.

No I'm not using frustration to advocate violence, if you read my post again I use frustration to describe the feelings of the prejudiced minority and suggest that may be the catalyst for a difference in opinion from your own very privilege driven logic.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not talking about abstract reasoning, I'm sure you've skimmed psychnet or such Web pages for insight.

If anyone was looking for an example of ad hominem

No I'm not using frustration to advocate violence, if you read my post again I use frustration to describe the feelings of the prejudiced minority and suggest that may be the catalyst for a difference in opinion from your own very privilege driven logic.

Ahh so you're using frustration as a justification for an onlooker advocating violence, rather than frustration of those involved being used as a reason for advocating violence.

I can see the difference but I still don't agree with you. Honestly this thread is an eye opener although I'm not sure why at this point. "How DARE you say that advocating retaliatory violence isn't a good idea!!". It could only be 2020.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If anyone was looking for an example of ad hominem



Ahh so you're using frustration as a justification for an onlooker advocating violence, rather than frustration of those involved being used as a reason for advocating violence.

I can see the difference but I still don't agree with you. Honestly this thread is an eye opener although I'm not sure why at this point. "How DARE you say that advocating retaliatory violence isn't a good idea!!". It could only be 2020.

Never been guilty of that have you TS?
You're projecting now I never said that advocating retaliatory violence was a good idea at all... But I can get my head around the reasons why others may find being in that situation more challenging, and not just cos they is fick.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But I can get my head around the reasons why others may find being in that situation more challenging, and not just cos they is fick.

I've said (repeatedly) that I understand why the men involved were so angry and frustrated and I empathise with the reasons they were lashing out. But there are people on this thread not just saying they understand why it happened, or that it was inevitable that something like that would happen - they're arguing that it was the right course of action. Applauding it. That's what I find immature and/or "fick". The people in this thread were not there, they don't have the defense of it being "in the heat of the moment", their reasoned response is that responding with violence was the right thing to do. Frankly if this was 5 years ago, I'd be flabbergasted that I have to defend thinking that that sentiment is wrong and stupid. Not any more, sadly.