[Swan]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Genuinely absolutely disgusted at those numbers.

It's a minuscule percentage of the people actually watching, i know it's not really point, but it's important to remember that that small number doesn't represent the general feeling of the GBP.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmm. I don't disagree with that to be honest; I don't think anyone "has to" watch anything the don't like the content of but unless it's actually horrendously inappropriate *cough*Cuties*cough* then the answer is to stop watching the show you don't like... not to report it to Ofcom. It is pathetic. If enough BGT fans start disliking the content, then it'll tank like the other Cowell shows, it doesn't need external regulation.

..........the unironic use of the "Karen" slur, though. You can do better than that, surely. Come on. We've entered 2020(b) now, we don't need sad misogynistic 2020(a) memes tagging along with us. It's been a long year, we're having a half-time.

Karen goes beyond gender tbh, anyone can be a Karen. I've encountered far more men in my life that are pure Karens then I have women.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the Netflix movie, ‘Cuties’ has no place in this thread, none whatsoever...

It's a thread about Ofcom complaints... although I suppose you're right as Netflix isn't covered by Ofcom. I was using it as a counter-example of something that is outright inappropriate and thus valid to complain about, as opposed to this which is not a valid target for "official complaints".

[LeatherTrumpet]

This scandal could put the Christmas BGT in doubt

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Karen goes beyond gender tbh, anyone can be a Karen. I've encountered far more men in my life that are pure Karens then I have women.

As have I and I agree in sentiment, but at this point the term is used too frequently by misogynistic people to make misogynistic statements aimed at women for it to get "a pass". Not really trying to start a debate on it, I just think it's a term that could do with being left behind.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

It's a minuscule percentage of the people actually watching, i know it's not really point, but it's important to remember that that small number doesn't represent the general feeling of the GBP.

It represents the people so enraged that they want to make their voices heard but I think a lot of people who aren't so angered to action would agree with the complaints. I know of a lot of people who find BLM tiresome and don't care about it which is a very privileged position to take.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It represents the people so enraged that they want to make their voices heard but I think a lot of people who aren't so angered to action would agree with the complaints. I know of a lot of people who find BLM tiresome and don't care about it which is a very privileged position to take.

There's nothing privileged about disliking riots and destruction. If BLM's protests looked more like ones by Extinction Rebellion, people would have a lot more sympathy for them.

Escalating protests into riots is basically pissing on the graves of the dead they were protesting for.

[LeatherTrumpet]

as is promoting closing all UK prisons (with no plan what to next) defunding our police and getting rid of the NHS and all business in the UK

People are complaining about this terrifying secret organisation and its advert by a misguided dance troup looking for likes

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's nothing privileged about disliking riots and destruction. If BLM's protests looked more like ones by Extinction Rebellion, people would have a lot more sympathy for them.

Escalating protests into riots is basically pissing on the graves of the dead they were protesting for.

Look to the NFL example I mentioned earlier, racists will oppose any and all forms of protests as long as they are made to witness it. They want black people to be neither seen nor heard.

If you honestly think people oppose the protests because of the destruction wrought by Right Wing infiltrators then you're not paying attention. They'll find a reason to oppose any kind of action that could lead to the problems being sorted.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It represents the people so enraged that they want to make their voices heard but I think a lot of people who aren't so angered to action would agree with the complaints. I know of a lot of people who find BLM tiresome and don't care about it which is a very privileged position to take.

Well you can think that, doesn't mean it's true. Im just saying that over 99% of people didn't complain thus not representing the general GBP. Im just trying to look at the bigger picture.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Look to the NFL example I mentioned earlier, racists will oppose any and all forms of protests as long as they are made to witness it. They want black people to be neither seen nor heard.

If you honestly think people oppose the protests because of the destruction wrought by Right Wing infiltrators then you're not paying attention. They'll find a reason to oppose any kind of action that could lead to the problems being sorted.

Firstly there's no proof that all the riots were triggered by the right wing.

Second, any form of protest which associates itself with the BLM movement taints itself by their more extreme actions,

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well you can think that, doesn't mean it's true. Im just saying that over 99% of people didn't complain thus not representing the general GBP. Im just trying to look at the bigger picture.

But just because people didn't lodge an official complaint doesn't mean that they disagree or agree with the complaints. You can't make a judgement either way.

I can only say from personal experience that I think a lot of people would have agreed with complaints but they probably wouldn't have officially complained beyond posting about it on Facebook.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Firstly there's no proof that all the riots were triggered by the right wing.

Second, any form of protest which associates itself with the BLM movement taints itself by their more extreme actions,

Cast your mind back to a while ago in that thread when I literally provided you with about 5 or 6 articles in which the police of entirely separate states and jurisdictions all announced that riots in their respective areas were started by Right Wingers and white supremacists. You saw that post and you responded to it so all this post is is wilful ignorance for the sake of presenting BLM in a way that benefits your own agenda.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Cast your mind back to a while ago in that thread when I literally provided you with about 5 or 6 articles in which the police of entirely separate states and jurisdictions all announced that riots in their respective areas were started by Right Wingers and white supremacists. You saw that post and you responded to it so all this post is is wilful ignorance for the sake of presenting BLM in a way that benefits your own agenda.

That doesn't mean every single riot was sparked by them.

Do you still have the links? I can't remember what thread they were in.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That doesn't mean every single riot was sparked by them.

Do you still have the links? I can't remember what thread they were in.

But it's enough to see a pattern, and no, you'll have to do your own research. I'm not bending over backwards again to have you just dismiss stuff you don't want to acknowledge.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But just because people didn't lodge an official complaint doesn't mean that they disagree or agree with the complaints. You can't make a judgement either way.

I can only say from personal experience that I think a lot of people would have agreed with complaints but they probably wouldn't have officially complained beyond posting about it on Facebook.

I guess it depends where you live/the people you know (the royal you). Where i live and the people i know, it's not been an issue. For example, i asked my mum if she watched, she said 'yes', i said 'have you heard about some people complaining', she said 'no, why did they complain' - which imo was the correct response.

I feel the same way, i don't see why anyone would complain, everyone should be allowed to express themselves (which i guess on the other side of the 'argument' you could say 'well people should also be allowed to voice their concerns', but that's a can of worms i do not wish to open).

[LeatherTrumpet]

...With Ofcom still deciding whether to investigate the complaints, the furore looks set to rage on. As it does, it will be up to ITV to consider whether “BGT Does BLM” was a risk worth taking. It isn’t unthinkable that the broadcaster will conclude the opposite – that the performance has ultimately done more harm than good.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/itv...shed-britains/

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

..........the unironic use of the "Karen" slur, though. You can do better than that, surely. Come on. We've entered 2020(b) now, we don't need sad misogynistic 2020(a) memes tagging along with us. It's been a long year, we're having a half-time.

I don’t think it’s fair to rebrand Karen as a slur.. the way I understand the phase is it’s used to call out and ascribe a certain type of entitled ‘I wish to speak to the manager’ mindset. The Karen subreddit is devoted to more extreme versions of this that mostly extend to anti vaxxers, anti maskers, racists, people who are extremely abusive to customer service and staff, and most of the most upvoted posts are men exhibiting this sort of behaviour..

For example I think this is a great example of ‘Karens’ going out of their way to complain about people speaking out against racism.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I don’t think it’s fair to rebrand Karen as a slur.. the way I understand the phase is it’s used to call out and ascribe a certain type of entitled ‘I wish to speak to the manager’ mindset. The Karen subreddit is devoted to more extreme versions of this that mostly extend to anti vaxxers, anti maskers, racists, people who are extremely abusive to customer service and staff, and most of the most upvoted posts are men exhibiting this sort of behaviour..

For example I think this is a great example of ‘Karens’ going out of their way to complain about people speaking out against racism.

The individual complaints and what they are as they have not been published - i dont think they ever are

All we know is that a number of people have contacted offcom

id imagine they cover a wide range of subjects about the ill-judged performance

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

...With Ofcom still deciding whether to investigate the complaints, the furore looks set to rage on. As it does, it will be up to ITV to consider whether “BGT Does BLM” was a risk worth taking. It isn’t unthinkable that the broadcaster will conclude the opposite – that the performance has ultimately done more harm than good.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/itv...shed-britains/

itv will only care if their viewer figures go down as a result or advertisers jump ship and I would think both are highly unlikely, Ofcom won't do anything ... that's a given

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

itv will only care if their viewer figures go down as a result or advertisers jump ship and I would think both are highly unlikely, Ofcom won't do anything ... that's a given

Agreed but i cant see this dance act getting many bookings going forward

[Tom4784]

A dance performance on BGT can do no 'harm'. If a bunch of snowflakey racists get upset over black people dancing for equality then they should probably find a way to travel back in time a few decades and move to Southern America, I'm sure they'd love living under Jim Crow rules.

[arista]

[Alesha Dixon tells critics of Diversity's divisive
Black Lives Matter routine to 'kiss my black ass']



[The hit ITV show's Ofcom complaints have soared
again to 15,500 following the dance troupe's
divisive routine
On Monday the figure stood at 1,121 with
grievances rising throughout the week]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...s-critics.html

[Kizzy]

It's a shame there's not a similar body that you can contact to show support for shows that have been referred to ofcom for balance.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

itv will only care if their viewer figures go down as a result or advertisers jump ship and I would think both are highly unlikely, Ofcom won't do anything ... that's a given

Viewing tonight will be massive as everyone will tune in to see how the issue is addressed, I can’t imagine it will be ignored