[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Depends if that includes using violence and rioting in the streets? You can think that black lives matter and be anti-fascist without aligning with the groups who use those names.

This wave of antifa as bogeyman has cropped up in response to the fact that open white supremacy is on the march and rise again. The crowds now known as antifa didn't suddenly wake up one morning and decided to protest nothing for no reason, and yet the reason they even exist is being completely and intentionally glossed over and ignored.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This wave of antifa as bogeyman has cropped up in response to the fact that open white supremacy is on the march and rise again. The crowds now known as antifa didn't suddenly wake up one morning and decided to protest nothing for no reason, and yet the reason they even exist is being completely and intentionally glossed over and ignored.

If people who call themselves white supremacists want to go on little marches, then good - they'll expose themselves to the world, and crap on their chances of finding work and probably ruin their social lives. Better to give people a chance to make their own beds. It's not like they're gonna change any minds or win people over.

But if their marches turn violent, then crack down on 'em.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If people who call themselves white supremacists want to go on little marches, then good - they'll expose themselves to the world, and crap on their chances of finding work and probably ruin their social lives. Better to give people a chance to make their own beds. It's not like they're gonna change any minds or win people over.

But if their marches turn violent, then crack down on 'em.

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

The problem are the ones who use violence. If the white supremacists use violence, they become the problem. Likewise with BLM/Antifa marches.

If they're massively funded, that money is going down the drain because no-one would look at those yobbos and think they're worth listening to.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

Take Charlottesville - a counter protester was murdered when a dude drove at ridiculous speed into a crows, and another guy was firing shots into a crowd.

The president came out and said there were good people on both sides.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This wave of antifa as bogeyman has cropped up in response to the fact that open white supremacy is on the march and rise again. The crowds now known as antifa didn't suddenly wake up one morning and decided to protest nothing for no reason, and yet the reason they even exist is being completely and intentionally glossed over and ignored.

The reason any extreme exists is because of a game of ideological table tennis that has been going on... Forever... Although the Internet has served as a catalyst to put things into a gear that was never possible before now. I think it's only reasonable to appreciate that extreme right wing ideologies are more active and dangerous than any other, primarily because those ideologies are the ones that have tendrils that worm into pretty much every system of power and thus they are the ones with the real control, but in terms of tactics and methodology humans are humans and the ways they clump together, organise and propagate are always going to have similarities.