[rusticgal]

Another thing we noticed...just as an observation, that no Lawyers were present throughout the interviews and polygraph..just found that strange.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm, I guess that I get that as well, Braden...but I felt it to be a tribute to Shanann and the girls as well in highlighting everything that happened in such a way...I hadn’t heard the story before and they so deserve for their story to be heard and people to know, I feel...they so deserve that...

Yeah, I absolutely see where you’re coming from.

My thoughts on these types of documentaries has changed. Whenever I finish watching, I just think ‘I really could have done without knowing about this story’ because they (and this one in particular) are just depressing.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Another thing we noticed...just as an observation, that no Lawyers were present throughout the interviews and polygraph..just found that strange.

Because he did it voluntarily, he clearly thought he could lie his way through it, why would an “innocent” man need a lawyer with him

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Because he did it voluntarily, he clearly thought he could lie his way through it, why would an “innocent” man need a lawyer with him

Many innocent men go down for crimes they did not commit due to this thinking

Even if you’re innocent you definitely need a lawyer, this train of thought is very dangerous. The justice system is not always correct


Edit: also polygraph tests average around 95% accuracy usually.
1 in 20 is still quite a large proportion of people to be be caught falsely in a lie. Out of 1 million people people that is 20,000 people.. obviously in this case it’s irrelevant because their is clear evidence and a confession, but relying on polygraphs tests alone is not evidence

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Many innocent men go down for crimes they did not commit due to this thinking

Even if you’re innocent you definitely need a lawyer, this train of thought is very dangerous. The justice system is not always correct


Edit: also polygraph tests average around 95% accuracy usually.
1 in 20 is still quite a large proportion of people to be be caught falsely in a lie. Out of 1 million people people that is 20,000 people.. obviously in this case it’s irrelevant because their is clear evidence and a confession, but relying on polygraphs tests alone is not evidence

I don't think you can use a polygraph as evidence in court because of that which is why the detectives were pushing for a confession so hard, I also think its why they made the suggestion to him that maybe Shanann had killed the girls, to make him feel like he can confess without confessing to being evil, kind of a thing? It was pretty clever I thought

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think you can use a polygraph as evidence in court because of that which is why the detectives were pushing for a confession so hard, I also think its why they made the suggestion to him that maybe Shanann had killed the girls, to make him feel like he can confess without confessing to being evil, kind of a thing? It was pretty clever I thought

Yes I agreed, I also liked the use of the ‘good cop’ ‘bad cop’ strategy

One of them was like “I know you did it, and I will find out in 5 mins”
And the other was comforting him.

I guess if the method isn’t broken then it doesn’t need changing

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think you can use a polygraph as evidence in court because of that which is why the detectives were pushing for a confession so hard, I also think its why they made the suggestion to him that maybe Shanann had killed the girls, to make him feel like he can confess without confessing to being evil, kind of a thing? It was pretty clever I thought

Exactly, so at the end of the day it’s irrelevant that he didn’t have a lawyer with him

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think you can use a polygraph as evidence in court because of that which is why the detectives were pushing for a confession so hard, I also think its why they made the suggestion to him that maybe Shanann had killed the girls, to make him feel like he can confess without confessing to being evil, kind of a thing? It was pretty clever I thought

...yeah I thought the two detectives interviewing him In suggesting that he’d only killed Shanann...

[Niamh.]

His neighbour had him sussed straight away though

[Ammi]

...yeah, I said that earlier...how he had found it suspicious from the off because Chris wasn’t a ‘talker’ but he was talking a lot to the police officers.../...he could be a detective, so very astute...

[Niamh.]

The thoughts of those two little girls though still alive having to travel with their dead mother, just horrific, what kind of a monster was he? And the motive, just so bizarre. I can't understand why he thought murdering his whole family was a better option than just leaving. So scary though, Reading her texts to her friend etc she really had no idea what kind of a man she had married or what he was capable of. Its a terrifying thing to realise that no matter how long you know a person, spend your life with them, can you ever truly know anyone?

[Ammi]

...she did feel the change in him, that he would never touch her or want any physical contact...so she obviously suspected the affair quite quickly...but she could have never known what he was capable of and what he was planning for return...it’s obviously unfathomable that a parent would kill their child../...children at all..?...but to have not killed them in their sleep and before she came home and then killed her...?..to have taken them on that drive../..around 45 minutes with her lifeless body at their feet...and then to look into their eyes when he killed them and as ‘no daddy’ was being pleaded..I just felt numb../..frozen with what he’d done...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Exactly, so at the end of the day it’s irrelevant that he didn’t have a lawyer with him

Yeah, he would have had the option but he was probably thinking he'd make himself look guilty if he asked for one.

I also liked the woman who was giving him the test, her little speech beforehand telling him, look you can't beat the test but you're going to tell the truth so you have nothing to worry about no better way to get his blood pressure sky rocketing

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...she did feel the change in him, that he would never touch her or want any physical contact...so she obviously suspected the affair quite quickly...but she could have never known what he was capable of and what he was planning for return...it’s obviously unfathomable that a parent would kill their child../...children at all..?...but to have not killed them in their sleep and before she came home and then killed her...?..to have taken them on that drive../..around 45 minutes with her lifeless body at their feet...and then to look into their eyes when he killed them and as ‘no daddy’ was being pleaded..I just felt numb../..frozen with what he’d done...

Oh yes she was suspicious of the affair but when she spoke about what a sweet caring man and that maybe her being bossy pushed him away etc she definitely had no idea what he was actually like, a violent psychopath

Yes those poor babies final hour doesn't bare thinking about, just how could anyone do that to any child but your own?? Horrific

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, he would have had the option but he was probably thinking he'd make himself look guilty if he asked for one.

I also liked the woman who was giving him the test, her little speech beforehand telling him, look you can't beat the test but you're going to tell the truth so you have nothing to worry about no better way to get his blood pressure sky rocketing

I was quite surprised they let his dad in with him when he started breaking down on his story.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I was quite surprised they let his dad in with him when he started breaking down on his story.

Definitely part of the strategy I'd say, they probably knew he'd confide in him looking for comfort

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh yes she was suspicious of the affair but when she spoke about what a sweet caring man and that maybe her being bossy pushed him away etc she definitely had no idea what he was actually like, a violent psychopath

Yes those poor babies final hour doesn't bare thinking about, just how could anyone do that to any child but your own?? Horrific

...the letter she wrote to him was heartbreaking...and he effectively killed their son as well, Shanann so wanted him to have a son and I can’t imagine how confusing her life became in such a short time since she’d worn the ...oops we’ve done it again announcement t shirt...So, so unhappy and only wanting him to show her love again......that’s why I feel that although it’s one of the most heartbreaking story I’ve ever known and so upsetting...she and the girls really deserved for their stories to be told like this, rather than just being a ‘news story’...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I was quite surprised they let his dad in with him when he started breaking down on his story.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Definitely part of the strategy I'd say, they probably knew he'd confide in him looking for comfort

...yeah, I do think that his dad had been told of their suspicions and that he helped to get the confession...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the letter she wrote to him was heartbreaking...and he effectively killed their son as well, Shanann so wanted him to have a son and I can’t imagine how confusing her life became in such a short time since she’d worn the ...oops we’ve done it again announcement t shirt...So, so unhappy and only wanting him to show her love again......that’s why I feel that although it’s one of the most heartbreaking story I’ve ever known and so upsetting...she and the girls really deserved for their stories to be told like this, rather than just being a ‘news story’...

Yeah it's awful. And what kind of a ****ed up world are we living in when her grieving family are being harrassed and people taking Chris" side, disgusting

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah it's awful. And what kind of a ****ed up world are we living in when her grieving family are being harrassed and people taking Chris" side, disgusting

...I haven’t read about the harassment yet....I will do, though...it’s just so difficult to get into the mindsets with stuff like that..that even if killing his wife was somehow defended...?..he killed those two girls with such coldness of looking right into their eyes while he took their lives away from them...

[LeatherTrumpet]

watching this with our supper at 8!

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think you can use a polygraph as evidence in court because of that which is why the detectives were pushing for a confession so hard, I also think its why they made the suggestion to him that maybe Shanann had killed the girls, to make him feel like he can confess without confessing to being evil, kind of a thing? It was pretty clever I thought

No Niamh...they cannot be used.
His arrogance...he must have thought their was a chance he would pass it. However guilty or innocent you should always have a solicitor. The police must have been punching the air...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No Niamh...they cannot be used.

His arrogance...he must have thought their was a chance he would pass it. However guilty or innocent you should always have a solicitor. The police must have been punching the air...

A solicitor would have made sure he didn't do it i reckon but its a catch 22, if he'd got himself a solicitor he would have looked guilty as sin

[Ammi]

...if anyone can bear to watch a full length documentary/movie on YouTube...I totally recommend this as well..it will break your heart but it’s also very
up-lifting...the very, very worst and the very, very best of people...it’s a few years since I watched but it’s a story that doesn’t really leave you easily...apparently Netflix did do their story about it also but that was a few years ago so I doubt that it would be showing on there now...

Youtube video

[armand.kay]

I watched this last night and didn’t know anything about the case prior and I was honestly in shock. I did not for one second think the husband could be involved. I was thinking up all these mysterious scenarios because I could not fathom how a man could murder his two daughters and wife out of the blue. This man is so sick and twisted and in my opinion he deserves to die. Anybody who can take the life of two children should not be allowed to live out the rest of their lives. It’s also very obvious that this was premeditated. I don’t believe his tears when he was asking himself why he couldn’t save his children. He knew he was going to murder them before she got back from her trip.