[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Eh. where did toothpaste come into this?

some health and beauty aisles were condoned off which included sanitary products and toothpaste its in one of the links

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes it was a mistake, as I said with mistakes being inevitable when everyone is passing the buck and refusing to give clear, simple guidance and leaving the decision down to people who are not qualified to make such decisions, and based on absolutely nothing other than gut feeling. There is no science at all behind this.

And qualifications of course are absolutely relevant here. A supermarket management team, you may expect, will have vast experience in staff management, stock ordering, budgeting, security concerns, cleanliness and hygiene, store layouts... all sorts of things that are relevant to their job.

They have no relevant knowledge or experience whatsoever in making executive decisions about which products should or shouldn't be considered essential purchases. You might as well ask the next person you pass in the street. The scope for subjectivity is so massive that it just becomes ridiculous, and that is evident from the number of "mistakes" that have been made already.

Again; there needs to be clear, simple, cohesive guidance on which aisles should be closed coming from the people calling for closures (in this case, the Welsh government) OR shops should simply continue to sell their whole range whilst encouraging customers not to "window shop".

the other side of it is why should a shopper have to justify a purchase to a shop worker.

I know people are looking to find fault in it now and that comes from the less than 100% commitment to the circuit break. If they repeat it again later in the year i can see there being a revolt

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

some health and beauty aisles were condoned off which included sanitary products and toothpaste its in one of the links

Yes that's already been clarified, the clarification is in the link you posted.

[Tom4784]

The welsh government seems to have been a little dumb in their approach to this.

It should have just been decorating stuff, shops that don't sell any essentials, beauty stuff etc. Sanitary products, basic clothing and stuff for repairs and such shouldn't be considered non-essential.

I think cutting off non-essential aisles is absolutely the right thing to do, but a lot of the stuff they're cutting off are essentials.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes it was a mistake, as I said with mistakes being inevitable when everyone is passing the buck and refusing to give clear, simple guidance and leaving the decision down to people who are not qualified to make such decisions, and based on absolutely nothing other than gut feeling. There is no science at all behind this.

And qualifications of course are absolutely relevant here. A supermarket management team, you may expect, will have vast experience in staff management, stock ordering, budgeting, security concerns, cleanliness and hygiene, store layouts... all sorts of things that are relevant to their job.

They have no relevant knowledge or experience whatsoever in making executive decisions about which products should or shouldn't be considered essential purchases. You might as well ask the next person you pass in the street. The scope for subjectivity is so massive that it just becomes ridiculous, and that is evident from the number of "mistakes" that have been made already.

Again; there needs to be clear, simple, cohesive guidance on which aisles should be closed coming from the people calling for closures (in this case, the Welsh government) OR shops should simply continue to sell their whole range whilst encouraging customers not to "window shop".

Science..., which science tells you what items to sell during a lock down?

Again your reference to qualifications makes no sense in the context of the topic covid essential items. You appear to have contradicted your earlier '3 GCSE' comments by now admitting that managers are indeed intelligent to be able to run stores effectively.

Yes there have been one or two errors but we are in unchartered territory here, I think there's a review today so maybe later they'll be greater transparency on what is and isn't available?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the other side of it is why should a shopper have to justify a purchase to a shop worker.

I know people are looking to find fault in it now and that comes from the less than 100% commitment to the circuit break. If they repeat it again later in the year i can see there being a revolt

You aren't having to justify anything to a shop worker... if the item you need isn't available to purchase the onus is not on them to explain why you can't have it.
They didn't make the rule neither did the company they're employed by. It's a government initiative.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Science..., which science tells you what items to sell during a lock down?

Yes, you're getting it now Kizzy!

Again your reference to qualifications makes no sense in the context of the topic covid essential items. You appear to have contradicted your earlier '3 GCSE' comments by now admitting that managers are indeed intelligent to be able to run stores effectively.

Intelligence doesn't really factor into it - my point then and now was that they have the education, qualifications and training required to run a supermarket under normal circumstances and thus, when it comes to closing off aisles based on what is and isn't an essential purchase, they're playing guessing games - evident from the multiple mistakes made and the discrepancies store-to-store.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, you're getting it now Kizzy!



Intelligence doesn't really factor into it - my point then and now was that they have the education, qualifications and training required to run a supermarket under normal circumstances and thus, when it comes to closing off aisles based on what is and isn't an essential purchase, they're playing guessing games - evident from the multiple mistakes made and the discrepancies store-to-store.

Again this is an unforseen pandemic, why should anyone be hauled over the coals for making one or two mistakes?...it's unprecidented that's why there's not been a very joined up approach to this circuit breaker by either the Welsh govt or supermarkets.

It's 17 days, then everyone will have to find something else to whinge about.

[Cherie]

You would think a female staff would have pointed out the folly

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again this is an unforseen pandemic, why should anyone be hauled over the coals for making one or two mistakes?...it's unprecidented that's why there's not been a very joined up approach to this circuit breaker by either the Welsh govt or supermarkets.

It's 17 days, then everyone will have to find something else to whinge about.

What if the infection numbers haven’t dropped sufficiently in 17 days?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Eh. where did toothpaste come into this?

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes that's already been clarified, the clarification is in the link you posted.

Have you forgotton you asked the question

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again this is an unforseen pandemic, why should anyone be hauled over the coals for making one or two mistakes?...it's unprecidented that's why there's not been a very joined up approach to this circuit breaker by either the Welsh govt or supermarkets.



It's 17 days, then everyone will have to find something else to whinge about.

"unprecedented times" shouldn't translate to "making it up as we go along" and these blunders are going to end up leading to increasing frustration, disillusionment and fatigue which will ultimately lead to fewer and fewer people bothering to stick with any of the guidelines at all. It's not a "might as well give it a shot, can't do any harm" situation. It's doing a tonne of harm.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have you forgotton you asked the question

I didn't ask a question about toiletries, the answer is in your link the govt stated supermarket's can sell whatever pharmacies do.

[Tom4784]

It should all be common sense, really. If you go into, say, Tesco. You'd probably cut off the decorating stuff, garden stuff (as in furniture, flowers etc, not stuff for repairs of fences or whatever), Christmas and Halloween stuff, etc.

People should only really be going out to get essentials they need in the moment. Anything else can be ordered online.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"unprecedented times" shouldn't translate to "making it up as we go along" and these blunders are going to end up leading to increasing frustration, disillusionment and fatigue which will ultimately lead to fewer and fewer people bothering to stick with any of the guidelines at all. It's not a "might as well give it a shot, can't do any harm" situation. It's doing a tonne of harm.

What should it translate as then... I'm sorry if the response hasn't been as seemless as you'd have liked, has it anywhere?

There have been errors, delays and turns costing billions and thousands of lives, get some perspective.

[bitontheslide]

the elephant in the room is that the reason wales needed the circuit break was because people were not social distancing. Most had already had pretty strict restrictions on them for months to no avail.

People are not going to social distance more with additional restrictions, they are going to get more pissed off, and i'm sure the figures will reflect that at the end of the circuit break

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What if the infection numbers haven’t dropped sufficiently in 17 days?

Then it won't have worked... obviously. The fact is they are trying to save lives. Why that's seen as a bad thing I don't know.
It's based on science however, and we all know everyone loves that.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the elephant in the room is that the reason wales needed the circuit break was because people were not social distancing. Most had already had pretty strict restrictions on them for months to no avail.

People are not going to social distance more with additional restrictions, they are going to get more pissed off, and i'm sure the figures will reflect that at the end of the circuit break

A lot of sweeping statements there

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the elephant in the room is that the reason wales needed the circuit break was because people were not social distancing. Most had already had pretty strict restrictions on them for months to no avail.

People are not going to social distance more with additional restrictions, they are going to get more pissed off, and i'm sure the figures will reflect that at the end of the circuit break

Oh here we go.. it's their fault in the first place blah bloody blah.... pfft!

Not what id I'll will anyone but when the SE and the SW lock down I'm going to revisit this post to ask what you did wrong.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Liam-

A lot of sweeping statements there

not really, if people had been social distancing, the infection rate wouldn't be so high. Restrictions have been severe in wales for a while, another fact ... and we will know in a week or so if i am correct in the numbers ....


So, all in all, not much sweeping at all

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What should it translate as then...

Clear, reasonable guidance that would apply in all supermarkets coming from a central source (the Welsh govt.)

The only reason it isn't is that no one wants the buck to stop with them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then it won't have worked... obviously. The fact is they are trying to save lives. Why that's seen as a bad thing I don't know.
It's based on science however, and we all know everyone loves that.

If infection hasn’t dropped they will extend lockdown is my point, so 17 days could turn into any number