[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree - the tap recordings of them have a part where he says something like "the violence has to stop" if they're to stay together and she responds "I can't promise that" - people quickly took that to mean that she's violent towards him and he's 100% victim, when the other evidence made it much more likely that they had a violent relationship on both sides, that it had become normalised as part of their fights, and that he had gotten to a place of wanting it to stop whilst she wasn't willing to commit to that. Like I said before, that's definitely down to a messed up perception of a normal relationship, but it definitely doesn't mean that there wasn't mutual violence before that point.

Basically I think they had a messed up relationship, he wanted a commitment to fixing that, she said she couldn't make any promises and they rightly separated. It would have been better for both of them if that had been the end of it tbh. Both were abusers, both were victims, and both have permanently damaged careers. What a mess.

There was also the accusation towards Johnny that his relationship with Kate Moss may have had some domestic violence, I have no idea if there is any truth to that however his 2 other long term exes came forward to his defense where as Kate was very quiet..even after Amber alleged that he had pushed her down stairs during their relationship

It may be the case that Johnny reacts in certain ways to certain types of personalities, who knows but neither seem totally innocent to me