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Originally Posted by DouglasS

It was the public who voted brexit.. you can’t blame him for fulfilling democracy.

He has got a deal where we are not stuck to obligations, yet are still able to trade freely. Therefore the fact we still have fantastic trade links and deals with Europe speaks for how much better he has done, preventing a no deal that so many were scared of/ the left were saying was going to happen and how bad it’d be. Now he’s proved the left wrong people have gone back to blaming ‘Brexit’

I welcome the no deal scenario gone out the window now but I do believe that Johnson was happy to appease his more hard-line brexiteers with no deal if he could have got away with it.

However I think events have made it that even he has realised, the no deal dream had to be averted.
I personally think that was down to 2 things in the main.

This pandemic and it's effects in the UK and on his own trust level.
Plus the defeat of Trump in the States.
Where Biden was not of the brexit supporting side.

So that and this now worrying uncertain second wave of the virus has made it that a major push had to be done in the end to secure some deal.

I would and do support any deal over no deal.
Johnson and his harder line brexiteers would have been happy with that outcome of no deal.
My view on him and that hasn't changed at all.

His hand was forced again, however proving there was a deal to be done.
Which should never have taken to this last almost minute of time.
Plus for me, no deal should never have ever been talked of, never mind nearly allowed to happen.

So on this u turn by him, I do congratulate him.
He hasn't pleased his harder line brexiteers, so I congratulate him on that too.
So for me this deal needs to be supported and implemented.

There's a lot of wording in it and scrutinising it won't be easy in the time left.
However for me again too, the EU are happy with it and for my sins, I trust the EU more than our own UK government.

I have many other reasons and personal ones too for neither liking or trusting Johnson and his Ministers.

At last on brexit however, he has secured and agreed a deal with the EU.
For which I do congratulate the government and the EU on.
Because for me, no deal was one of the worst, and most ugly wording and threat to come out of the whole brexit scenario.

So I'm glad those harder line Con MP who were
supporters of that, and the hard line former Labour MPs like Gisela Stuart, haven't and now are never going to get their no deal hope realised.

So yes, I hope this deal is passed with a massive majority which I think it will.
With a strong majority of Labour MPs backing it too.
Rightly so too when the only alternative to this would be a disastrous no deal.