[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is really short sighted, Joey. Firstly, a deal is obviously better than no-deal, but this deal only delays that outcome. There is a 4yr review built into this, so we will have 4 years of hard right campaigning against it. It's a pretty bad deal from our perspective, so it will actually provide the ammunition for that to be a successful long term strategy.

Because it's such a bad deal, any honest opposition shouldn't be anywhere near this. Only folks happy to accept the consequences of this trash should rubber stamp it, and it's another example of starmer having no clue about what he is doing, lurching from pandering to more pandering. The votes to pass this already exist, so why put your fingerprints on a deal that fails the 6 tests for a brexit deal set out by labour?

I agree with you really.

I just feared a no deal scenario.

I'm sure some did but of those I know who voted leave not one was voting for or wanting a no deal scenario

I think it was Cherie who said this could be likely revisited in the future and I do think it will.
As the make up of the voting public changes in all UK Nations

I'm not yet of the view in 2024 that another Party winning a majority in parliament is likely.
However equally, now brexit is settled for a period, I don't believe Johnson and the Cons will get a majority next time either.

So the prospect of no deal is unlikely even in 2025.

With the Pandemic crisis and all that is likely to surface against Johnson, his Ministers and government, I REALLY can't see him being more than the largest party in 2024 at best.

So the review may open up new demands from the electorate too.
Maybe I'm putting too much optimism in play here.
However, brexit, this deal on trade in place now, the issue quietened more if not eradicated.
Then the chaos of the pandemic, I'm not convinced Johnson will even want to be around to fight the 2024 election.

It's not the deal Starmer wanted, or Labour however to just oppose it leaving the chance of no deal being the scenario would leave Labour and Starmer really isolated in my view.
Even to voters with absolutely no credibility.

Everyone I've spoken to who supported Labour last year.
Never wanted no deal.
To see the leader and party voting this deal down then leaving only no deal left in place.

I wouldn't like to think what those supporters would think at that.
Myself too Slim, I'd have been stunned had Starmer decided to vote against this deal and left us with no deal.
Starmer isn't my idea of the best leader for Labour.
However I can't see that he could or should do anything else rather than vote this bill through.

Longer term this leaves a way back which no deal wouldn't likely have as to closer ties again.

I'd rather not have left at all definitely.
I still hope for the opportunity to arise to return too.