[Alf]

Originally Posted by James

This whole voting conspiracy would never have gained the attention it has if it wasn't for Twitter.

Twitter is such a bad platform for politics. It was originally only ever meant to be a micro-blogging site where people would write a line or two about what they'd been up to.

You can't blame twitter for peoples suspicions. The empty Joe Biden rallies compared to Trump's heaving rallies, made them suspicious. Hundreds of eye witnesses testimonies of cheating made them suspicious. The fact that at the end of election night Trump was well in front and when America woke up the next day, Biden was in front, that made them suspicious. The fact Trump improved his 2016 votes by over 11 million, that made them suspicious. The fact Trump improved his vote all over the country except for them few key states in question, that made them suspicious. The fact that every election statitic besides the final result says that Trump won, that made them suspicious.

But if it's easier to ignore all that and just say it was Twitters fault, then go ahead.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

You can't blame twitter for peoples suspicions. The empty Joe Biden rallies compared to Trump's heaving rallies, made them suspicious. Hundreds of eye witnesses testimonies of cheating made them suspicious. The fact that at the end of election night Trump was well in front and when America woke up the next day, Biden was in front, that made them suspicious. The fact Trump improved his 2016 votes by over 11 million, that made them suspicious. The fact Trump improved his vote all over the country except for them few key states in question, that made them suspicious. The fact that every election statitic besides the final result says that Trump won, that made them suspicious.

But if it's easier to ignore all that and just say it was Twitters fault, then go ahead.

Can you further explain the bit in bold because I have no idea what you're on about. Everything else you mentioned is not suspicious.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Can you further explain the bit in bold because I have no idea what you're on about. Everything else you mentioned is not suspicious.

Trump increased his numbers in every single state from his 2016 results, except for the 5 or
6 six that were in question. Certain states are won were it's said that whoever wins that state, it will pretty much tell you who will win the election, Trump won those states.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Trump increased his numbers in every single state from his 2016 results, except for the 5 or
6 six that were in question. Certain states are won were it's said that whoever wins that state, it will pretty much tell you who will win the election, Trump won those states.

Not that bit, that's not suspicious. That every statistic stated trump won. Not one that ';ve looked at declared Trump the winner.

[James]

Originally Posted by Alf

Trump increased his numbers in every single state from his 2016 results, except for the 5 or

6 six that were in question. Certain states are won were it's said that whoever wins that state, it will pretty much tell you who will win the election, Trump won those states.

He increased his vote count in every state (with the higher turnout), not just the ones that weren't questioned.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Can you further explain the bit in bold because I have no idea what you're on about. Everything else you mentioned is not suspicious.

They are suspicious to some. Maybe not somebody who wanted the Democrats to win, but other observers do think, eye eye, this looks a bit dodgy.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

You can't blame twitter for peoples suspicions. The empty Joe Biden rallies compared to Trump's heaving rallies, made them suspicious. Hundreds of eye witnesses testimonies of cheating made them suspicious. The fact that at the end of election night Trump was well in front and when America woke up the next day, Biden was in front, that made them suspicious. The fact Trump improved his 2016 votes by over 11 million, that made them suspicious. The fact Trump improved his vote all over the country except for them few key states in question, that made them suspicious. The fact that every election statitic besides the final result says that Trump won, that made them suspicious.

But if it's easier to ignore all that and just say it was Twitters fault, then go ahead.

I completely agree that blaming twitter is really bizarre, especially considering that FB exists as the platform of choice for the far right. There is also Parler - the far right twitter, but most importantly, what fox news and OANN have been smashing into Americans eyes and ears for years.

Trump didn't win by much in 2016 against what the right keeps calling a historically bad candidate with EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You keep repeating "orange man bad," so you know as well as anyone what the majority thinks of him, and that resulted in election defeat.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I completely agree that blaming twitter is really bizarre, especially considering that FB exists as the platform of choice for the far right. There is also Parler - the far right twitter, but most importantly, what fox news and OANN have been smashing into Americans eyes and ears for years.

I don't know. Twitter, importantly, is TRUMP'S tool of choice and that's what has made it play an integral role. Yes the news channels and other news sources have spread his chaotic seed around but he sows them with tweets. The radio silence since his account was suspended is really illuminating.

Also on a secondary level - the nonsensical pro-Trump bot activity on Twitter during election day and the following day was unprecedented, I followed a lot of it first hand and I've never seen anything like it. Genuinely chilling glimpse at bona-fide misinformation warfare.

[James]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I completely agree that blaming twitter is really bizarre, especially considering that FB exists as the platform of choice for the far right. There is also Parler - the far right twitter, but most importantly, what fox news and OANN have been smashing into Americans eyes and ears for years.



Trump didn't win by much in 2016 against what the right keeps calling a historically bad candidate with EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You keep repeating "orange man bad," so you know as well as anyone what the majority thinks of him, and that resulted in election defeat.

Twitter is the platform that Trump personally uses, and has his unfiltered views - unlike when a politician puts out a press release and a spokesperson will edit it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by James

Twitter is the platform that Trump personally uses, and has his unfiltered views - unlike when a politician puts out a press release and a spokesperson will edit it.

He's on all platforms, mostly fox news and twitter was the one platform the crazies don't actually like, because they get banned. I just think blaming twitter is an easy way out. I don't doubt it played a role, but only in conjunction with, and not exclusive of, the other platforms.

Do I think if twitter had never existed and all other media/social media did, what happened would have still happened? Yeah, absolutely.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He's on all platforms, mostly fox news and twitter was the one platform the crazies don't actually like, because they get banned. I just think blaming twitter is an easy way out. I don't doubt it played a role, but only in conjunction with, and not exclusive of, the other platforms.

Do I think if twitter had never existed and all other media/social media did, what happened would have still happened? Yeah, absolutely.

twitter as a medium is much more immediate and focussed than phone in ramblings on a news channel. People have a chance to read it over and over. Twitter is a much more effective platform for radicalisation than tv will ever be

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

twitter as a medium is much more immediate and focussed than phone in ramblings on a news channel. People have a chance to read it over and over. Twitter is a much more effective platform for radicalisation than tv will ever be

It really isn't. It's one of the worst platforms for any discussion because of it's very nature. FB is basically a right wing militia site, so it just shows a stunning lack of understanding.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

You can't blame twitter for peoples suspicions. The empty Joe Biden rallies compared to Trump's heaving rallies, made them suspicious.

Because Trump rallies were full of uneducated Covid deniers.

Hundreds of eye witnesses testimonies of cheating made them suspicious.

Nonsense totally debunked in dozens of courts, a lie that took hold... Oh yes... On social media.

The fact that at the end of election night Trump was well in front and when America woke up the next day, Biden was in front, that made them suspicious.]

Because of urban areas (heavily democrat traditionally) and postal votes (see above re: uneducated Covid deniers) were counted last. This was even PREDICTED by political commentators before it happened.

The fact Trump improved his 2016 votes by over 11 million, that made them suspicious. The fact Trump improved his vote all over the country except for them few key states in question, that made them suspicious.

In an election with overall record turnout. Some sort of bizarre comprehension failure that makes people think that Trump getting more votes than the last time when he won must mean he won again, failing to comprehend that - believe it or not - the opposing candidate ALSO got proportionately more votes.

The fact that every election statitic besides the final result says that Trump won, that made them suspicious.

No they don't, and you're only saying that because you've heard other conspiracy theorists saying it. If you actually HAVE those statistics, by all means, post them.

But if it's easier to ignore all that and just say it was Twitters fault, then go ahead.

Conspiracy theories like all of the above have always existed in politics. Twitter and Facebook have allowed something that used to be vaguely humorous to go mainstream and stop being funny in any way, because massive numbers of people have been sucked into this pantomime causing huge, real problems.

Again, sadly, Alf has started blocking anyone who wants to debunk the things he's saying and is happier existing in an echo chamber where they're just "the facts". Which really says it all.