[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...and it wasnt a bad one either...I even used her favorite word

Why are you talking about Trump on a Meghan post...Josy wont be happy

You dont have to be a criminal to be disliked. IMO she has done things wrong she has been disrespectful and I think she is a hypocrite ...I dont like her and I have yet to find anyone that does apart from on social media. There are many people I dont like...and there will be many you dont like and have a negative opinion on...that doesnt make you toxic unless you call them vile ugly names. People have their reasons for not liking her...just agree to disagree and stop exaggerating and over using the word TOXIC...its childish.

Absolutely. People can try bullying those that don't like her off the forum with words like hatred and toxic and accusations of racism and misogyny, and its allowed. Its as if throwing those accusations around is going to change anyone's mind. Crazy and childish stuff that isn't going to work because I for one will continue to dislike her as long as I feel I have reason to - and I'll post what I want, when I want while trying to stay within the rules which used to be 'address the content of the post, not the poster' - but not any more it seems.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Of course there are two sides to every story....none of us know them so we simply have opinions on what we observe...and we all observe differently. However...the "do you know them personally" comment is pathetic because its obvious no one here knows them personally, Its a ridiculous reaction to someone debating on a forum.
If Meghan wants to keep putting herself on the public stage then she has to take the rough with the smooth....and not everyone is going to like her...thats life.

Stop being so sensible and level headed Rusti....

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...and also...



Kate: "It was reported that new Duchess of Cambridge requested her favorite scented candles and toiletries from luxury fragrance brand Jo Malone be delivered to scent the Abbey. A selection of candles, handwashes and lotions was requested, specifically in citrus spring scents including Orange Blossom, Grapefruit and the ever-popular Lime, Basil & Mandarin." Daily Mail: May 4, 2011
Meghan: "'Meghan wanted staff to go around with these atomizers, like spritzer guns, and spray the chapel with scent before anyone arrived. Royal Household staff stepped in and told her office politely, but firmly, that this was the queen's chapel and it simply wasn't appropriate. I don't believe they said no because they thought it could affect the chapel in any way. It was simply the principle of the thing. This is a place that has held royal weddings, funerals and even contains the royal vault. I don't believe a request of that nature had been made before.'" Daily Mail: Nov. 30, 2018

You are not allowed to quote the tabloids if you are discussing Meghan....

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

Stop being so sensible and level headed Rusti....

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Wasn't Harry actually in the Army? Surely he has every right to pay his respects whether it's with the Royal family or just with his wife?

Of course he can....and what a nice gesture it was of the two of them...thing is it wasnt just the two of them...he invited a film crew to record it and photographers....a deliberate swipe at the Monarchy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Of course he can....and what a nice gesture it was of the two of them...thing is it wasnt just the two of them...he invited a film crew to record it and photographers....a deliberate swipe at the Monarchy.

That's a very cynical view to have, maybe as an ex army member and (ex?) Royal, he wanted to make sure the Public knew he was still honouring the Day and paying his respects, maybe that was important to him. Why would it be a swipe at the Monarchy? What skin is it off their nose if he lays a wreath elsewhere?

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Of course he can....and what a nice gesture it was of the two of them...thing is it wasnt just the two of them...he invited a film crew to record it and photographers....a deliberate swipe at the Monarchy.

Yes, and not just a photographer - a fashion photographer who captured Meg tramping over the graves in her stilettos. The whole debacle was universally criticized for the tackiness, but I'm sure it will be seen as a lovely selfless gesture by her fans.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, and not just a photographer - a fashion photographer who captured Meg tramping over the graves in her stilettos. The whole debacle was universally criticized for the tackiness, but I'm sure it will be seen as a lovely selfless gesture by her fans.

I'm not a "fan" whatever that means btw. How can you even be a fan of what are basically socialites (I include the other Royals in that too) I just think the woman gets a lot of undue scrutiny and criticism

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not a "fan" whatever that means btw. How can you even be a fan of what are basically socialites (I include the other Royals in that too) I just think the woman gets a lot of undue scrutiny and criticism

Oh believe me she has rabid fans - have you never heard of the 'Sugars'. They are known for being poisonous, giving out death threats and such.
I think they are mostly teenagers though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Oh believe me she has rabid fans - have you never heard of the 'Sugars'. They are known for being poisonous, giving out death threats and such.
I think they are mostly teenagers though.

I've only ever seen that word on here, you've mentioned it before.

[Niamh.]

Actually I just googled Sugars, they don't actually call themselves that according to the results I got, it's critics of Meghan who have labelled "fans" that? So it's not like GaGa's Little Monsters or Justin Bieber's Belibers etc? It's basically an insult towards anyone who defends Meghan by people who dislike her.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Actually I just googled Sugars, they don't actually call themselves that according to the results I got, it's critics of Meghan who have labelled "fans" that? So it's not like GaGa's Little Monsters or Justin Bieber's Belibers etc? It's basically an insult towards anyone who defends Meghan by people who dislike her.

...I was just about to post that...I googled it also and i could only find one article that mentioned it and it being a term that had been attached by Meghan detractors on social media...

‘One such Twitter user CelticQ, who has since deleted their account "Exposing Meghan Markle", used the term in July 2018, a few months after the former-actresses wedding.’

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Actually I just googled Sugars, they don't actually call themselves that according to the results I got, it's critics of Meghan who have labelled "fans" that? So it's not like GaGa's Little Monsters or Justin Bieber's Belibers etc? It's basically an insult towards anyone who defends Meghan by people who dislike her.

..

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

At the end of the day, her father sold stories about her, he sold private letters, he tried to profit from his own daughter's wedding. You can't both sides this and make out that people are just as toxic to her father when it's not the case. Her father isn't in the news every other day, there isn't articles slamming him for holding his belly, there certainly wasn't any comparable articles to when the tabloid rags slammed her for saying something like 'My husband and I'. The only times he has been brought up has been a result of his own wrongdoing towards his daughter. He actually did something to deserve the bad press and the criticism while people bend over backwards to find reasons to hate on Meghan, to try to make out that both are similar is just the most disingenuous bull****.

If this was anyone else, no one would be on the father's side, absolutely no one, but because it's a mixed race american woman who had the audacity to marry a prince, people are accepting the gaslighting because they think it gives their irrational, crazy hatred of this woman substance when it does not. It just highlights how far gone people are.

Oh, and since I already know the responses to this post, I'll just tackle the predictable 'Meghan fan' response that gets dished out to anyone that isn't cutting letters out of a magazine to send her death threats. You don't have to be a fan of someone to see how they are treated is bull****, but you do have to hate someone deeply to the point of irrationality to go against the grain of reality to find reasons to justify hating someone like that. As I said before, if this wasn't Meghan, the people who are defending the father would not be doing so because it's clear as day that he's looking to profit off his own daughter. The fact people are saying 'Everyone deserves a right to privacy but....' to try to justify a reason for Meghan's privacy to be invalidated just says it all.

Take a breath, step away from the computer and just look inward. The hatred towards this woman is not normal behaviour.

YOU take a breath and step away from the computer. If people disliking someone you like affects you that much and nothing is ever her fault, its best to avoid these threads.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by jet

Oh believe me she has rabid fans - have you never heard of the 'Sugars'. They are known for being poisonous, giving out death threats and such.
I think they are mostly teenagers though.

I’d say she has far more rabid haters tbh. This thread alone is quite telling at how desperate people are to put her down.

[Ammi]

... They wrote: "#meghanmarkle fans are called 'sugars'.

"Don't be fooled by the sweet name, for they are extremely aggresive, and have even threatened Kate sublimely in the Daily Mail." (sic)

It's not sure exactly clear the name was first coined or why, but it is still in frequent use on the social media site in relation to the Duchess.



...all from this article, which is all I can find atm...

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...-day-instagram

[Jordan.]

When the haters are so obsessed they're the ones making up the stan names

[Ammi]

...and I’m not a particular ‘fan’ either but it’s impossible not to see unfairness and imbalance in the media which has been startling in its extreme...

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...and I’m not a particular ‘fan’ either but it’s impossible not to see unfairness and imbalance in the media which has been startling in its extreme...

You’re not allowed to defend the unfairness though because it’s Meghan and she deserves it all!!!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Actually I just googled Sugars, they don't actually call themselves that according to the results I got, it's critics of Meghan who have labelled "fans" that? So it's not like GaGa's Little Monsters or Justin Bieber's Belibers etc? It's basically an insult towards anyone who defends Meghan by people who dislike her.

I didn't say they called themselves that, its what they are called. An awful bunch, by all accounts anyway. I'm not on social media or Twitter or wherever they dote on her.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

When the haters are so obsessed they're the ones making up the stan names

There are no obsessed haters on this forum

[Ammi]

...how can it be known of the existence of ‘Sugars’, though and that a ‘rabid fan’ would be an accurate descriptive to attach or that there are indeed Meghan fans who could be described as poisonous and giving out death threats or that they’re teenagers etc...unless it’s what’s been actually seen...

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There are no obsessed haters on this forum

Never said there was touchy.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...and I’m not a particular ‘fan’ either but it’s impossible not to see unfairness and imbalance in the media which has been startling in its extreme...

Diana, Fergie and Kate all got it bad too in the early days. Meghan gets it worse for a reason, she unwisely set herself against the media from the start.
If you don't know how it all played out, I'm sure you can find it with some research?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...how can it be known of the existence of ‘Sugars’, though and that a ‘rabid fan’ would be an accurate descriptive to attach or that there are indeed Meghan fans who could be described as poisonous and giving out death threats or that they’re teenagers etc...unless it’s what’s been actually seen...

I can't answer that - I go from what I have read in a few articles. There was one written by a royal reporter early last year who was furious that these 'Sugars' were the ones who started an malicious rumor that William was having an affair.
I assumed they had a fan forum or something....