[arista]

The SNP Westminster leader
is angry at Conservatives Laughing at him.

He keeps saying Scotland back him?
(Not all of them in Scotland)

I am sure some vote SNP
to get the benefits.

[arista]

Jacob Rees-Mogg
Live on Times Radio DAB

Says the Labour Party call Voters Stupid.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Jacob Rees-Mogg
Live on Times Radio DAB

Says the Labour Party call Voters Stupid.

I think all but Con hardliners, realise Rees- Mogg just talks mostly tripe.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

Jacob Rees-Mogg
Live on Times Radio DAB

Says the Labour Party call Voters Stupid.

Says the ghoul who said the people who died in Grenfell lacked common sense

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think all but Con hardliners, realise Rees- Mogg just talks mostly tripe.

……Joey educating us all with the very applicable political terms…

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Says the ghoul who said the people who died in Grenfell lacked common sense

Be Fair
Slick Liam
he is an MP that made a mistake

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Jacob Rees-Mogg
Live on Times Radio DAB

Says the Labour Party call Voters Stupid.

pot lits kettle

[Withano]

I mean

If Labour were in charge for ten years, I’d imagine the tories wouldn’t like Britain so much.

It’s kinda the point, they have wildly different ideas.

Duhr (no offence)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean

If Labour were in charge for ten years, I’d imagine the tories wouldn’t like Britain so much.

It’s kinda the point, they have wildly different ideas.

Duhr (no offence)

wrong

they would not like Labour

that is the point

duhr (no offence)

[joeysteele]

Well it's equally so that Labour doesn't like the Cons, who are in charge.

Nothing at all to suggest Labour don't like Britain either.
If the Cons wouldn't.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well it's equally so that Labour doesn't like the Cons, who are in charge.

Nothing at all to suggest Labour don't like Britain either.
If the Cons wouldn't.

Labour’s England problem

The impulse to deride patriotism reflects the party’s distance from many core
voters

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ngland-problem

2016

and now look

[bitontheslide]

there are a whole host of reasons why labour is basically unelectable. They are a mess, and as i said way earlier in the thread, i think ultimately in order for a party to emerge that can compete with the tories, it will need to split up, there are too many competing/warring factions that are fundamentally incompatible with each other on policy. That results in a watered down policy from whatever side you view it from. It's untenable really. They can kid themselves otherwise, but the last few years have shown the deep divides. The tory party has divides too, but the branch in charge don't allow policy to be watered down by the more moderate tories to the same extent as labour.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You were describing it as suppressing votes and voters..when its not.

It will imo, get more peope to vote than not. I think if you have a VOTING ID, you will be more inclined to actually go out and use it on polling day. So it will actually increase the voting numbers.

No.

Let's say this free voter ID card is a thing for people who don't have other forms of photo ID, how many hoops will a person have to jump through to get one? Because they won't send you one automatically because it's a photo ID, so a person with a Driver's Licence or a paid form of ID instantly has an advantage over someone who doesn't.

It's no different to the voter suppression taking place in Georgia where for future votes, they are banning giving people food or drink while they wait in line.... in Georgia weather... for potentially hours... That's designed to make it harder for people to vote, thus suppressing certain people from voting.

If you add restrictions or make voting harder for people to do in any way, that has the effect of voting suppression.

The problem is that people won't realistically get an automatic voter ID like they currently get a voting slip ahead of a vote. They'll have to likely pursue getting one when the current process is wholly automatic. You get a slip, you can take it with you, easy.

When you add extra restrictions to the right to vote, it won't increase votes, it'll just decrease votes from certain demographics and that is the intended affect here.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

What's to say all these people without photo id would even vote for Labour anyway (or against the Conservatives). Bit strange to assume.

I saw a graph on Twitter yesterday, that basically detailed that tory voters are more likely to have Driver's licences than Labour and we can only assume that the same would likely hold true to the Green Party and Lib Dems given their views on the environment.

Aside from speculation about the Greens and Lib Dems, there's no assumptions here. The Photo ID law will more likely have an effect on people who don't vote Tory then people who do.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No.

Let's say this free voter ID card is a thing for people who don't have other forms of photo ID, how many hoops will a person have to jump through to get one? Because they won't send you one automatically because it's a photo ID, so a person with a Driver's Licence or a paid form of ID instantly has an advantage over someone who doesn't.

It's no different to the voter suppression taking place in Georgia where for future votes, they are banning giving people food or drink while they wait in line.... in Georgia weather... for potentially hours... That's designed to make it harder for people to vote, thus suppressing certain people from voting.

If you add restrictions or make voting harder for people to do in any way, that has the effect of voting suppression.

The problem is that people won't realistically get an automatic voter ID like they currently get a voting slip ahead of a vote. They'll have to likely pursue getting one when the current process is wholly automatic. You get a slip, you can take it with you, easy.

When you add extra restrictions to the right to vote, it won't increase votes, it'll just decrease votes from certain demographics and that is the intended affect here.

I agree with all this.
Strong points.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[jet]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...queens-speech/

PETS are to have their feelings protected by a new law, announced today in the Queen's Speech.

It forms part of the government's plan to help improve "the highest standards of animal welfare" in the UK.
The Bill will increase protection for all pets, sporting and farm animals.
Battery cages for laying hens will be banned, as well as sow stalls and veal crates, and CCTV will be installed in all slaughterhouses in England.
It will also end the export of live animals for fattening and slaughter, bring in more effective powers to tackle live stock worrying, and improve standards in zoos.
The new rules, set out by the monarch, 95, at today's State Opening of Parliament, will "eradicate cruel practices" and strengthen the penalties for those who abuse animals.
Maximum sentences will increase from six months to five years under the Animal Welfare (Sentencing) Act 2021.

Great news!

[Swan]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...queens-speech/

PETS are to have their feelings protected by a new law, announced today in the Queen's Speech.

It forms part of the government's plan to help improve "the highest standards of animal welfare" in the UK.
The Bill will increase protection for all pets, sporting and farm animals.
Battery cages for laying hens will be banned, as well as sow stalls and veal crates, and CCTV will be installed in all slaughterhouses in England.
It will also end the export of live animals for fattening and slaughter, bring in more effective powers to tackle live stock worrying, and improve standards in zoos.
The new rules, set out by the monarch, 95, at today's State Opening of Parliament, will "eradicate cruel practices" and strengthen the penalties for those who abuse animals.
Maximum sentences will increase from six months to five years under the Animal Welfare (Sentencing) Act 2021.

Great news!

I rarely have anything positive to say about the Queen, or any royal for that matter, but this certainly is encouraging news. A decent step in the right direction for animal welfare in this country.

It's only they'd put a stop to their 'shoot weekends' next?!

[arista]

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Swan

I rarely have anything positive to say about the Queen, or any royal for that matter, but this certainly is encouraging news. A decent step in the right direction for animal welfare in this country.

It's only they'd put a stop to their 'shoot weekends' next?!

I mean in this case she's a glorified news anchor - she doesn't actually make laws.

[arista]

This one 2020 Sept

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I saw a graph on Twitter yesterday, that basically detailed that tory voters are more likely to have Driver's licences than Labour and we can only assume that the same would likely hold true to the Green Party and Lib Dems given their views on the environment.

Aside from speculation about the Greens and Lib Dems, there's no assumptions here. The Photo ID law will more likely have an effect on people who don't vote Tory then people who do.

Well the easiest way to solve this problem would be to provide those who can prove they can't afford a photo id (being on benefits perhaps) a free one. I don't see many objections. Then there can be no doubt.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean in this case she's a glorified news anchor - she doesn't actually make laws.

Yeah, i mean like i say, it's encouraging at least. A step forward. We can only hope this becomes law in the near future.