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jet · 09-09-2021, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

There isn't in this case but he does hang out with dubious bunch and we know he was not only aware but probably involved in the wrong doings of his buddy Jeffery

I'm not sure if he was actually involved, there have been so many holes apparently in Virginia's stories involving other men as well. However, the thing that makes me suspicious is why he won't co - operate with the FBI in their enquires. They say they just want to question him about what he knows about Jeffrey Epstein.
He is going to be forced to do something now there is this civil case, so lets see.....

smudgie · 09-09-2021, 09:39 AM

So his wife and daughters stayed there with him.
Bit odd taking them there if he did know of the going ons.
You can be friendly with very dubious people and not know what they are doing in private.
My two very best friends were married to two brother for decades.
After they were divorced both the brothers ended up in jail.
One for rape of his partner and the other for being a paedo.
The paedo had been touching all 4 of his nieces up when they were young kids, it didn’t come to light until one of them broke down and told her mum years later.
Neither of these men had monster written on their foreheads, and were family friends for years.

jet · 09-09-2021, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually have no idea what you're on about.

Living up to your name. Big overgrown baby - wide eyed innocence. Feeble joke.

Niamh. · 09-09-2021, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

I'm not sure if he was actually involved, there have been so many holes apparently in Virginia's stories involving other men as well. However, the thing that makes me suspicious is why he won't co - operate with the FBI in their enquires. They say they just want to question him about what he knows about Jeffrey Epstein.
He is going to be forced to do something now there is this civil case, so lets see.....

I believe her especially since he lied about meeting her and being upstairs in that house when there's photo evidence to say otherwise. i doubt anyone could be friends with that man and around those young women and girls he had in his properties and not know (or be involved) in what he was doing. And also, there's THAT interview.......

Toy Soldier · 09-09-2021, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

Living up to your name. Big overgrown baby - wide eyed innocence. Feeble joke.

Oh you're doing a "thing". Well, whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Alf · 09-09-2021, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I believe her especially since he lied about meeting her and being upstairs in that house when there's photo evidence to say otherwise. i doubt anyone could be friends with that man and around those young women and girls he had in his properties and not know (or be involved) in what he was doing. And also, there's THAT interview.......

What do you think of Niamh's theory, Toy Soldier?

Toy Soldier · 09-09-2021, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

What do you think of Niamh's theory, Toy Soldier?

I agree with it, the idea that he was just friendly with all of these fiends "by coincidence" is ludicrous. At the very least he knew fine well what THEY were up to, and I suspect he was more involved than just with that one girl, but there's no real evidence of that so it's just speculation.

Livia · 09-09-2021, 10:30 AM

If we could see a guest list from Richard Branson's Necker Island in the Caribbean, I'm sure we'd all be surprised at the range of people who have been there for freebies.

bitontheslide · 09-09-2021, 11:11 AM

he has always had dodgy friends, he knew exactly what was going on. The TV interview was a massive blunder on his part because he just couldn't hide the fact that he was squirming, lying and conveniently forgetting things in equal measure

Kazanne · 09-09-2021, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not a supporter of Andrew, I think he should face his accusers. However, all the OP says about him is that "he and then-wife Sarah Ferguson stayed at 77-year-old Nygard’s Caribbean home in 2000". If they have any kind of hard evidence that Andrew took part in the rape of young and underage females then they need to present it. All we're hearing at the moment is that Andrew knew some very dodgy people. If there is anything else... anything that's indisputable... then he needs to stand trial. Otherwise... it's all just conjecture.

I agree with all that post.

jet · 09-09-2021, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree with all that post.

Yep, same here.

rusticgal · 09-09-2021, 11:58 AM

Andrew is an extremely shady and arrogant liar. His pompous attitude stinks. The mud will stick and his lack of ownership will leave him forever doubted massively...he will never return to Royal duties unless he clears his name and assists with the investigations.
As for Fergie...whilst she has kept relatively low profile...she knows what side her bread is buttered...

jet · 09-09-2021, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes... I know that... and now she's admitting that she feels a duty to him as her husband ("stands by her marital vows") and in my opinion this is probably a large part of the reason she's so adamant about his innocence. I feel like this is confusing for you somehow but I don't know why.

He's not her husband....and she wasn't caring about her marital vows when she was letting another man suck her toes while married to him.

She had affairs with 2 men while Andy was sailing the high seas in the Navy.

Marsh. · 09-09-2021, 02:11 PM

He just has a lot of dodgy mates. Nothing more to it surely.

Marsh. · 09-09-2021, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

He's not her husband....

Everybody knows that. Sarah has literally said she stands by her vows so clearly still thinks of him as her husband. Keep up.

jet · 09-09-2021, 02:56 PM

As I said, having affairs with 2 men while married wasn't standing by her marital vows. She said she was bored while he was away at sea.
Maybe her ex - husband (er, husband) potentially forcing sex on an underage girl doesn't bother her as much as boredom.

Toy Soldier · 09-09-2021, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

As I said, having affairs with 2 men while married wasn't standing by her marital vows. She said she was bored while he was away at sea.
Maybe her ex - husband (er, husband) potentially forcing sex on an underage girl doesn't bother her as much as boredom.

Whether she’d defend him when there are abuse allegations against him, and whether she’d cheat on him, are entirely unrelated… I don’t understand your logic here at all. She cheated on him so she would definitely not support him against an allegation of doing something illegal?

jet · 09-09-2021, 03:18 PM

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Whether she’d defend him when there are abuse allegations against him, and whether she’d cheat on him, are entirely unrelated… I don’t understand your logic here at all. She cheated on him so she would definitely not support him against an allegation of doing something illegal?

'Standing by her marital vows' - she didn't with the affairs (while married) she is with the sex allegations (when not married). That's all I'm pointing out. Simple enough really?

AnnieK · 09-09-2021, 03:23 PM

Why has Sarah become the focal point in this? Andrew is the one with the dubious friendships - I don't really see what Sarah's extra marital affair has to do with that

They have always maintained a strong friendship throughout the marriage and divorce and have continued to live together at times - she has chosen to stand by him at this time - if the allegations are proven, she may well feel differently.

His dubious connections have been his downfall here and his reluctance to talk to the FBI is telling plus THAT interview did him no good.

He will, I am sure, be causing the Queen untold embarrassment. This kind of thing is pretty damaging to the monarchy even though she has taken steps to distance him from official Royal duties.

jet · 09-09-2021, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

It started with this Annie.

LaLaLand · 09-09-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

It's not new. That report is dated Feb 2020.

See date of original post.

jet · 09-09-2021, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand

See date of original post.

Yeah, I realized that, too late! Apologies LaLa.

Marsh. · 09-09-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Why has Sarah become the focal point in this? Andrew is the one with the dubious friendships - I don't really see what Sarah's extra marital affair has to do with that

The same reason Meghan takes the heat for everything, misogyny.

Toy Soldier · 09-09-2021, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

'Standing by her marital vows' - she didn't with the affairs (while married) she is with the sex allegations (when not married). That's all I'm pointing out. Simple enough really?

Yea but what is your point, though? The two things are completely unrelated.