[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Only the SNP has Scotland at present and for the likely foreseeable future, however one other certain thing that is also good about that, is the SNP would never assist a Con government into power.
No way.

Of course.


But the conservatives know that.


My Point is Labour needs more in Scotland
to get in power.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Of course.


But the conservatives know that.


My Point is Labour needs more in Scotland
to get in power.

Not really.
Around 20 more seats in 2017 could have seen a Labour government with SNP support.

To win outright,yes they'd need Scotland, however as I said, the SNP strong in Scotland would ensure an a hung parliament, no way would they put the Cons in.

In fact other than the DUP, I doubt any party would now.
Even the Lib Dems.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not really.
Around 20 more seats in 2017 could have seen a Labour government with SNP support.

To win outright,yes they'd need Scotland, however as I said, the SNP strong in Scotland would ensure an a hung parliament, no way would they put the Cons in.

In fact other than the DUP, I doubt any party would now.
Even the Lib Dems.

Yes but Now in 2021
Labour need more MP's in Scotland

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but Now in 2021
Labour need more MP's in Scotland

To win outright themselves they would need Scotland

Quite honestly, I would be happy totally to see Labour get to a position where with SNP support, it had overall votes in parliament.

I actually think it could be an efficient, compassionate and good example of what governments could be under a PR system.

Anything that will get this in my view, detestable government out of power.

There's boundary changes expected soon too which will again help the Cons to around 10 more seats, reducing Labour by a few.
So with Scotland or not, It is extremely unlikely to even dream of an outright win anyhow for Labour.

However enough seats from England and Wales for Labour, plus support from a strong force of SNP members to Westminster.
That would please me no end.

Because the Lib Dems seem to still be doing this not working with anyone, still deluded they could win an election themselves.
Such as under the unbelievably poor Swinson.
Trusting the Lib Dems still now is unwise in my view.
I hoped for better from Ed Davey, although doubted it.
So far he's confirming the latter for me.
Nothing better really.