[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

[Deputy Labour leader Angela Rayner brands
them ‘bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic,
absolute pile’ – before insisting she ‘held back a little’ in rant
Angela Rayner reportedly launched an outspoken
attack on the Conservatives
MP described the Tories as 'a bunch of scum,
homophobic, racist, misogynistic'
Government minister Amanda Milling
called the Labour MP's remarks 'shocking']



She is Rough.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ands-scum.html

Podium-Pounding-Politics.

That sort of behaviour is fine for parties which will realistically never see real power -UKIP, Green- as they largely exist to bring ideas to the table and have an influence, but will never be the leading party or the official Opposition.

It's also fine for "mavericks", members of the main party who float around the backbenches but don't touch the (Shadow/) Cabinet.

But when they're leading figures among the mainstream parties, it's just not very becoming.

Floating voters like my favourite apocryphal couple, Joanna and Michael, might not really care about politics and could vote on a whim, or based on whoever the current party leader is. They don't really follow the ins and outs of the world of politics, and voted for Boris because he's a Good Old Boy(tm). They're starting to be put off him because of the way he's been handling the pandemic, and now he wants to steal more of their hard-earned ... but they're getting called SCUM by a shouty little madam who they've barely heard of ... why should they swing to Labour next time?

Originally Posted by Cherie

Angela playing to the gallery

Not that long ago she called for a kinder form of politics

I think we've learned by now that #BeKind only applies to certain people ... both as perpetrators and targets ...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Podium-Pounding-Politics.

That sort of behaviour is fine for parties which will realistically never see real power -UKIP, Green- as they largely exist to bring ideas to the table and have an influence, but will never be the leading party or the official Opposition.

It's also fine for "mavericks", members of the main party who float around the backbenches but don't touch the (Shadow/) Cabinet.

But when they're leading figures among the mainstream parties, it's just not very becoming.

Floating voters like my favourite apocryphal couple, Joanna and Michael, might not really care about politics and could vote on a whim, or based on whoever the current party leader is. They don't really follow the ins and outs of the world of politics, and voted for Boris because he's a Good Old Boy(tm). They're starting to be put off him because of the way he's been handling the pandemic, and now he wants to steal more of their hard-earned ... but they're getting called SCUM by a shouty little madam who they've barely heard of ... why should they swing to Labour next time?


I think we've learned by now that #BeKind only applies to certain people ... both as perpetrators and targets ...

Actually she didn't call Con voters scum.
Not at all.

She was getting at the Cabinet from their leader down.
The ones who make the heartless decisions that crush the weakest, poorest and sick and disabled.
Not the voters.

I'll make no apology though for saying myself, again, I believe of the voters who all go out to vote.
30% of them, are hardline Con voters, extreme and heartless, not caring a jot for anyone lower or weaker than they may be.
So support heartless policies.

Frankly, I think scum is too good a word for them, those that support those polices and even moreso as to those implementing such heartless policies too.

After all scum means a layer of dirt or froth on top of something.
So maybe it IS the very appropriate word to describe the very top of this governmental Cabinet.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Podium-Pounding-Politics.

That sort of behaviour is fine for parties which will realistically never see real power -UKIP, Green- as they largely exist to bring ideas to the table and have an influence, but will never be the leading party or the official Opposition.

It's also fine for "mavericks", members of the main party who float around the backbenches but don't touch the (Shadow/) Cabinet.

But when they're leading figures among the mainstream parties, it's just not very becoming.

Floating voters like my favourite apocryphal couple, Joanna and Michael, might not really care about politics and could vote on a whim, or based on whoever the current party leader is. They don't really follow the ins and outs of the world of politics, and voted for Boris because he's a Good Old Boy(tm). They're starting to be put off him because of the way he's been handling the pandemic, and now he wants to steal more of their hard-earned ... but they're getting called SCUM by a shouty little madam who they've barely heard of ... why should they swing to Labour next time?


I think we've learned by now that #BeKind only applies to certain people ... both as perpetrators and targets ...

Tbf on the bottom paragraph, why should people be kind to a party that's never really been kind since beating Gordon Brown in 2010?

If the party wants respect then they need to be respecting the people.

[joeysteele]

She could have held back a bit but what the Cons and their supporters have called Labour senior figures, and Labour supporters too, this pales into near significance compared to their vile comments and false accusations.

I can't disagree they are scum for the heartless, discriminatory, unnecessary persecution almost of the poorest, most vulnerable, sick and disabled in society.

The humiliation of terminal cancer patients with limited time left, having to go to court to win back benefits wrongly taken off them by this cruel government's heartless assessments procedures.

Yeah, pretty much, only scum could do actions as heartless as that.

[Liam-]

I love me a bit of Angela and she didn’t utter a single lie, it’s probably not ‘professional’ but then when you’re up against a bunch of lying, cheating, charlatans who have spent the last 10 years or so deliberately destroying everything that that is good about the country and purposefully attacking the weakest, poorest and most vulnerable of our society, I think a little bit of unprofessionalism is the least of our worries, especially when she’s just telling the truth.

[bots]

As i said earlier, the tories won the election with a landslide. Angela is taking a shot at everyone who voted for them and that will not improve her party's chances.

Labour should be on the front foot, they should lead by example, without needing to resort to inappropriate abuse. They should be way ahead with the complete shambles there has been over the last couple of years, but if anything, they are even less likely to win an election now. Labour have had tough times in the past, but nothing compares to the way they are now. I think it's entirely feasible that they drop to being as inconsequential as the lib dems at the next election.

[bots]

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told the BBC's Andrew Marr show: "Angela and I take a different approach and that is not the language I would have used."

Pressed on whether he would asking her to apologise, he said that was a matter for her but added: "I will talk to her later."

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told the BBC's Andrew Marr show: "Angela and I take a different approach and that is not the language I would have used."

Pressed on whether he would asking her to apologise, he said that was a matter for her but added: "I will talk to her later."

Yes Angela is alone
she asking for Johnson to apologise
before she does


So it could make a Great Front page.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Angela is alone
she asking for Johnson to apologise
before she does


So it could make a Great Front page.

Well he never really apologises for anything, so neither should she for telling the truth.
In my view.

If I was to say what I'd term him and most of his Cabinet, I'd for sure be banned.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well he never really apologises for anything, so neither should she for telling the truth.
In my view.

If I was to say what I'd term him and most of his Cabinet, I'd for sure be banned.

Let it all out
No ban
As you are talking of Johnson Prime Minister
not a Tibb member

[joeysteele]

Why should she apologise.
Labour supporters never mind Labour figures have been accused of being wholly antisemitic, as supporters of terrorists by Con MPs and Con supporters too.
When should they apologise for that ???

I know Con supporters keep predicting the end of Labour.
Public opinion changes and can quickly too.
That may well be Con supporters hope who only think their party has a divine right to govern.

Labour can remove the Cons overall majority.
No other party now in parliament except for the even more extreme DUP would help the Cons back in power.

As for winning with a landslide.
Under this unrepresentative and now insult to democracy, where in the absurd electoral system we have.
Winning a landslide while only getting 43% of the votes cast.
Is to me, and should be a national disgrace.
That any party gets unfettered power while 57% voted against it.
Ridiculous.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Why should she apologise.
Labour supporters never mind Labour figures have been accused of being wholly antisemitic, as supporters of terrorists by Con MPs and Con supporters too.
When should they apologise for that ???

I know Con supporters keep predicting the end of Labour.
Public opinion changes and can quickly too.
That may well be Con supporters hope who only think their party has a divine right to govern.

Labour can remove the Cons overall majority.
No other party now in parliament except for the even more extreme DUP would help the Cons back in power.

As for winning with a landslide.
Under this unrepresentative and now insult to democracy, where in the absurd electoral system we have.
Winning a landslide while only getting 43% of the votes cast.
Is to me, and should be a national disgrace.
That any party gets unfettered power while 57% voted against it.
Ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopefully, she will apologise for bringing politics into the gutter

we don't need this nasty bigotry from Labour

We need politicians to be respectful of other views even if their members cannot

we dont want this

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do think if Labour members are defending this, as i have seen on the Guardian, you are part of the problem.

It really is that simple.

smh

[arista]

Rachel Johnson starts her 7PM LBC live show
show saying Government in Waiting?
More Like Eastenders

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Rachel Johnson starts her 7PM LBC live show
show saying Government in Waiting?
More Like Eastenders

wise words from this experienced broadcaster

[MTVN]

There's been quite of a lot of surveys and polls which have found that left leaning people are more intolerant of people with a different view than right leaning people and Rayners comments kind of exemplify that. It's like how a lot of people celebrated Thatcher dying. I always smile at the number of people who have 'no Tories' in their social media profile and things like that

I know Starmer isn't enjoying much success atm but in that Labour party he actually comes across as one of the only serious faces in the circus and I quite admire him for that

[Tom4784]

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[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, it's basically the old 'you're not tolerant unless you tolerate MY intolerance!' ****. Load of old bull****.

It's just right wing people desperately trying to be seen as victims while they refuse to acknowledge or condemn the bigotry that runs riot on their side of the aisle. If you don't want people to think Tories are scum, then perhaps stop wringing your hands and being all like 'waaah, the intolerant left!' and actually acknowledge the reasons why people hate the tories. It's not for no random reason, it's not tribalism, it's for the damage that party has done for years to this country and will continue to do.

You admire Starmer because he's weak and spineless and that benefits the tories, let's not be disengenuine with our reasoning here, MTVN.

Case in point

left leaning people are more intolerant of people with a different view than right leaning people

[Tom4784]

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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There's been quite of a lot of surveys and polls which have found that left leaning people are more intolerant of people with a different view than right leaning people and Rayners comments kind of exemplify that. It's like how a lot of people celebrated Thatcher dying. I always smile at the number of people who have 'no Tories' in their social media profile and things like that

I know Starmer isn't enjoying much success atm but in that Labour party he actually comes across as one of the only serious faces in the circus and I quite admire him for that

Tbf I've seen both sides be intolerant of each other's views, I just think that both sides express their intolerance in different ways to each other.

Personally for me I think it should be judged on a case by case scenario, and imo every leader that the Tories have sent out recently seem to think it's more important to have "catchy slogans" or be a buffoon rather than run the country properly, I don't expect perfection from Politicians, but I do expect them to have a basic level of competence & empathy, both things that I personally feel that the Conservatives have been lacking recently.

[joeysteele]

I don't agree at all that left leaning people are more intolerant of people with a different view.

I think it would be pretty much of equal measure as to both of left and right.
Just my view but there it is.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh I'm conflicted!!

I don't really take politics seriously, and it's refreshing to see an MP speak so freely ... Especially when she's calling scumbags what they are

But like I said before, it's not good to pretty much hand the headlines to the guttertrash tabloids on a silver platter - now they can badmouth her and the party, and turn that little molehill into a mountain to make the party look bad. I don't have a problem with Rayner saying whatever she wants, I have a problem with the Deputy Leader writing the bad headlines.

The Cabinet doesn't deserve oxygen an apology, all that being said.

[arista]

[arista]