[user104658]

There is a genuine fear of being perceived as racist in official offices (including the police, councils etc.) and it is leading to huge problems. Of course, this stems from the fact that there have been abundant clear examples of actual racism and discrimination in the past in pretty much all of these places, which makes it a rather complicated tightrope to walk. Generally it’s not that they don’t want to act - and most would be happy to act once someone gets the ball rolling - but no one wants to be that person.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There is a genuine fear of being perceived as racist in official offices (including the police, councils etc.) and it is leading to huge problems. Of course, this stems from the fact that there have been abundant clear examples of actual racism and discrimination in the past in pretty much all of these places, which makes it a rather complicated tightrope to walk. Generally it’s not that they don’t want to act - and most would be happy to act once someone gets the ball rolling - but no one wants to be that person.

Sorry, but if you know and don't speak up about rape of young girls, or anybody for that matter, then you have no excuse. The tax payers pay the authorities to do their jobs, not turn a blind eye for personal reasons.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Sorry, but if you know and don't speak up about rape of young girls, or anybody for that matter, then you have no excuse. The tax payers pay the authorities to do their jobs, not turn a blind eye for personal reasons.

I agree personally but it's classic "bystander apathy" - everyone expects someone else to do something and then it gets out of hand and they start acting to protect their own life/career/reputation. But yes I agree that when people get into jobs like law enforcement they should do it knowing that it's not going to be easy and with a commitment to doing the right thing. Unfortunately though that's not always the case.

[Alf]

Latest update.

Just to let you know that in the last few years a man was sent to prison for putting a rasher of bacon on a building (he died in prison) and a man was put in prison for having a slash next to a war memorial. That's some of the justice that has been handed out in our country lately.

As the Stereo MCs once said "Something ain't right"

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

a man was sent to prison for putting a rasher of bacon on a building

The hell?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The hell?

The building was a mosque.

Kevin Crehan was his name. He got sent down for 12 months and died in prison. Not sure if he was murdered or just died naturally, but he died.

Blasphemy laws are alive and well in your country.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

The building was a mosque.

Kevin Crehan was his name. He got sent down for 12 months and died in prison. Not sure if he was murdered or just died naturally, but he died.

That shouldn't even be a Misdemeanor, let alone a custodial...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That shouldn't even be a Misdemeanor, let alone a custodial...

I googled the story, he was jailed for tying bacon to the door handles and shouting racist abuse at the elderly church goers, he was a convicted football hooligan which is presumably why he got a custodial sentence. He died of a drug over dose and it was not treated as a suspicious death

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

The building was a mosque.

Kevin Crehan was his name. He got sent down for 12 months and died in prison. Not sure if he was murdered or just died naturally, but he died.

Blasphemy laws are alive and well in your country.

I had a look at this one, he was jailed as it was the last of a long line of convictions mostly for football violence, he was let down badly by the prison system though, he overdosed in prison


The judge said he was jailing Crehan because the offence was the latest in a long list of previous convictions, mainly for football-related violence.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=kevin+...ANNTA1&PC=LCTS

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I had a look at this one, he was jailed as it was the last of a long line of convictions mostly for football violence, he was let down badly by the prison system though, he overdosed in prison


The judge said he was jailing Crehan because the offence was the latest in a long list of previous convictions, mainly for football-related violence.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=kevin+...ANNTA1&PC=LCTS

I know.

I said he was convicted for putting bacon on building and died in prison which is all true. I even gave you his name so you can go look it up yourself, which you did.

The point I was trying to make was that some people are dealt with by the law and some get let off.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The hell?

And that's why nobody said anything, to easy to be labelled racist.

[arista]

Yes Alf
It has Stink


Corruption,
and Children raped

[Crimson Dynamo]

blimey the silence on this thread is both expected and astonishing

no wonder the socialst left is schtum

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

blimey the silence on this thread is both expected and astonishing

no wonder the socialst left is schtum

There's no silence. As far as I can see, personally Ive said plenty on this topic on various threads in the past.
The excuse given for not revealing the extent of the proper as I remember was 'community cohesion', Which I found disgusting.
It allowed the rot to spread and let down the most vulnerable in society, I have spoke before on how children in care and those living in poverty are preyed on by many to exploit and authorities essentially turn a blind eye.
I'm not sure how that relates to the socialist left.

[bots]

the reason i didnt respond on here was because alf tried a disingenuous promotion of english nationalism.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the reason i didnt respond on here was because alf tried a disingenuous promotion of english nationalism.

It's not just Alf, but I completely agree.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's not just Alf, but I completely agree.

If you agree then explain it to me because you're better at explaining things than the original anti English commentator.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the reason i didnt respond on here was because alf tried a disingenuous promotion of english nationalism.

Sorry, what? Explain yourself?

And while you're at it what is wrong with the nationality of English that it's seen as a negative thing?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Socialism is a political system based around the fair distribution of wealth and the means of production, it has nothing to do with sexual abuse, which I actually credit you with knowing already. If you want to strip it down in vulgar language you seem to understand, the exploitation of labour for sex trafficking is inherently capitalistic at it's core.

I mean, I know this crap plays well on here on here these days, but this really is crass and disgusting to use sexual abuse to bait. Really weird but completely on brand for the poster and the forum.

I think he means the cultural left rather than the economic left so really he means "the liberal left" rather than socialist left... obviously socialism has nothing at all to do with this.

It's difficult to argue that liberalism doesn't come into the equation though. Objectively speaking there IS a sub-cultural element to these grooming gangs (namely, underlying attitudes and ideas about white girls and women that can be prominent in young Asian men) but there's a push to deny or not acknowledge that aspect for fear of being seen as racist, or similarly to the Trans debate, out of fear that acknowledging things that are exploited by actual bigots and racists is "adding fuel to the fire" or somehow aligning with those more extreme views.

if there had been less hesitancy to say "Yes, there are worrying views and attitudes propagating in these communities that need to be addressed" then these gangs might well have been identified and dismantled far earlier.

[Cherie]

I do find it very sad that English people cannot embrace their flag like literally every other nation can do..

I can't imagine being called a bigot for hanging an Irish flag out my window

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I do find it very sad that English people cannot embrace their flag like literally every other nation can do..

I can't imagine being called a bigot for hanging an Irish flag out my window

The same people are the ones proudly currently sporting a Ukraine flag whenever they get chance.

They're just hypocritical bullies with a touch of xenaphobia.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think he means the cultural left rather than the economic left so really he means "the liberal left" rather than socialist left... obviously socialism has nothing at all to do with this.

It's difficult to argue that liberalism doesn't come into the equation though. Objectively speaking there IS a sub-cultural element to these grooming gangs (namely, underlying attitudes and ideas about white girls and women that can be prominent in young Asian men) but there's a push to deny or not acknowledge that aspect for fear of being seen as racist, or similarly to the Trans debate, out of fear that acknowledging things that are exploited by actual bigots and racists is "adding fuel to the fire" or somehow aligning with those more extreme views.

if there had been less hesitancy to say "Yes, there are worrying views and attitudes propagating in these communities that need to be addressed" then these gangs might well have been identified and dismantled far earlier.

It appears to me that the vulnerable have always been a target and if you highlight one group then that encourages victims from other groups to come forward.

Look how victims of abuse by political figures, celebrities or the church gave been treated. What makes anyone think that the victims of organised gangs of any ethnicity would get treated fairly?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think he means the cultural left rather than the economic left so really he means "the liberal left" rather than socialist left... obviously socialism has nothing at all to do with this.

It's difficult to argue that liberalism doesn't come into the equation though. Objectively speaking there IS a sub-cultural element to these grooming gangs (namely, underlying attitudes and ideas about white girls and women that can be prominent in young Asian men) but there's a push to deny or not acknowledge that aspect for fear of being seen as racist, or similarly to the Trans debate, out of fear that acknowledging things that are exploited by actual bigots and racists is "adding fuel to the fire" or somehow aligning with those more extreme views.

if there had been less hesitancy to say "Yes, there are worrying views and attitudes propagating in these communities that need to be addressed" then these gangs might well have been identified and dismantled far earlier.

Pretty sure he didn't mean anything other than using his crassness to try and bait.

However, liberalism is of more of the centre, not really the left, and even more importantly, whether you are of the left, centre, right, or any of the extremes, it should be universally accepted that none of those political leanings are exempt from sex traffickers, rapists, or paedophiles, so even pretending that it does is pretty cynically bad faith.

That said, I actually agree that maybe some fears exist, and an unintended consequence of that fear has been to provide cover for those committing heinous acts, just like fear of the powerful has protected wealthy or connected paedophiles. No one has said any differently. White Catholic priests were moved from place to place to give them continued access without accountability, so these structures/communities have always protected the abusers, so I also find it disingenuous when the same kind of folks that mocked and dismissed anything to do with metoo, suddenly find a group of abusers they are against (for some reason).

[The Slim Reaper]

A flag is a flag. I don't really see anyone on the right, especially the further you go, cowering away from either displaying it or fawning all over it, so not even sure what the suggestion means.

It's just pretty immature and cringey to attach identity to a piece of cloth based on an accident of birth, which remarkably, when replaced with a hijab (which unlike a flag, people wear for a reason - however much I personally may disagree with their reasoning), suddenly people understand.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A flag is a flag. I don't really see anyone on the right, especially the further you go, cowering away from either displaying it or fawning all over it, so not even sure what the suggestion means.

It's just pretty immature and cringey to attach identity to a piece of cloth based on an accident of birth, which remarkably, when replaced with a hijab (which unlike a flag, people wear for a reason - however much I personally may disagree with their reasoning), suddenly people understand.

In my opinion the St George flag has become a symbol of something darker than national pride, it has been hijacked by those who treat it like the confederate flag. As a symbol of superiority, and due to this that's why I feel many can't associate with it.
However the love for England, the English and Englishness as a whole is just as strong.