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there are now some omicron cases in uk hospitals, as we don't have an easy test to identify omicron. The likelihood is that 1000's currently have it so we have no idea what proportion need hospitalisation and what their vaccination status was
People will just ignore any further restrictions, they cant fine everyone Last edited by bots; 12-12-2021 at 04:40 PM. |
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Yes, the Test has to go to a Lab. |
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Let’s all be honest boris is an embarrassment at this stage and needs to go
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The Government cannot help the fact that the world is now being confronted by the omicron variant, but it has to take responsibility for its failure to do enough to prepare one of the richest, most advanced countries for the oncoming storm.
No wonder so many voters, and, increasingly, back-bench MPs, ministers and Cabinet members, are cynical, angry and exhausted. Two years into this crisis, the authorities appear to have learnt little. The roll-out of third jabs (which appear to be vital in combating the variant) has proceeded far too slowly; bureaucratic errors continue to befuddle every move (with people unnecessarily turned away from vaccination walk-in centres); the Government has ordered far too few antiviral pills; and the process of working on and giving authorisation for new, improved vaccines is scandalously slow. Just as bad has been the Government’s utter inability to increase the NHS’s capacity. This is extremely hard to do, granted, but why didn’t we spend the past year at least working on a plan for temporary, emergency field hospitals, perhaps staffed with retirees, volunteers and students? The basic problem is that, while omicron, at present, appears less dangerous than previous variants, it spreads more rapidly, meaning that even if it sends a smaller proportion of the infected to hospital, this could be a very large number in real terms. That, at least, is the hypothesis (still not fully confirmed by data) that senior Government figures are working to. Hence their abject panic at the latest models, and why we are back to the prospect that our lives will be shut down – killing businesses, curtailing liberties and wrecking mental health – to “save” an NHS that, we are told, won’t be able to withstand a looming “tsunami” of hospitalisations. This was more forgivable in early 2020 because Covid was new and the entire planet had been caught short. Britain had no domestic diagnostic industry, for a start, and the emergency procedures signed off by Jeremy Hunt were for the wrong kind of pandemic. But why has the Government done so little since then to cope with the inevitability of fresh waves? Why is it falling back on restrictions yet again? Why is nobody sure where the gradual tightening of the rules will end? And does this mean that every new variant will overwhelm us, even when we are on to our fourth or fifth jabs? That would be a strange kind of society. The Government must be held to account for betraying its own earlier success. The world-leading vaccine roll-out was made possible by innovation – taking procurement out of the hands of the NHS, creating a brilliant public/private vaccine taskforce. Then the Government handed the operation back to the sainted NHS. After an initial period of apparent achievement, it lost momentum. Why doesn’t the booster operation run 24/7? Are there lists of retired medical staff being actively recruited and directed to help? The worst error of all must be the failure to produce and distribute enough antiviral pills. These can be taken at home, and, as long as Covid is detected quickly and the treatment starts promptly, are hugely effective. This would be the best way to reduce the pressure on the NHS as the pillsscould be delivered to homes or picked up at pharmacies – so why isn’t it happening? We need answers. For all the vast sums spent, the massively increased NHS budget, and the endless boosterism, we are left playing a giant game of Russian roulette – gambling upon authoritarian measures, the healthcare system not collapsing, and the hope that the variants will eventually fizzle out to something resembling the cold. This is a shocking failure of policy. The Government must get its act together immediately. |
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The Government is also being conned by juvenile modelling that is simply wrong. I can only conclude that the ‘scientists’ are now saying the vaccines were a total waste of time and effort. How else could they come up with such stupid numbers, more hospitalisations and 75,000 deaths? I also assume that they have totally discounted natural immunity Surely these utterly useless modellers and scientists should be properly challenged by people with a proper grasp of numbers, then the truth can be reported to the British public. Why not ask an independent firm of accountants to report back on the models within a 48 hour period, it is not a difficult job for anyone with a good grasp of numbers? The reason is simple, the report would be scathing and the whole scam would collapse |
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again, i saw a model yesterday predicting as many as 450,000 hospitalisations before march, but the model is just complete tosh, anyone with a brain knows they are exaggerating it for effect
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[COVID UK's alert level raised to level 4 - second highest tier
- amid rapid increase in Omicron cases] https://news.sky.com/story/covid-uks...cases-12494268 Last edited by arista; 12-12-2021 at 05:16 PM. |
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At least so far he hasn't gone to the extremes that some other countries leaders have. And for that reason, that's why they're pushing to get rid of him. They (the real masters) want someone in who will go to the extremes.
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The country's four chief medical officers have recommended to ministers that the UK moves from level 3 to 4.
The CMOs warn Omicron is spreading much faster than Delta and there is less vaccine protection against symptomatic disease from the new variant. They also said that people are already being treated in hospital due to Omicron and the number of patients is "likely to increase rapidly". Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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Last Christmas eve I spent in tier 2 (which was lucky at the time tbf as most the country was tier 3) having to rush through pints over a miserable meal and being kicked out as soon as we'd finished our food at 10pm
Better be different this year |
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Sod orf
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