[Elliot]

Another old white predator

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Another old white predator

I agree but it's an example of why trans people and supporters should concede that self-ID allows old white male predators to pose as genuine trans women in order to abuse people, and access things like women's prisons. This is constantly denied but here is a clear-as-day example of it happening. Anyone who gives a hoot about trans rights should be as up in arms about this **** as anyone else.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Another old white predator

that has already been done on page one by member Jordan.

it did not work then

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Another old white pervert

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

that has already been done on page one by member Jordan.

it did not work then

Oh come on, we all know one of the first unwritten rules of the internet is to not feed the trolls. Don't rise.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by NoëlEdmonds

Why do I get the vivid impression that people are angered more at the culprits identity rather than their crimes

Speaking for myself that's not the case.

However it wouldn't surprise me if there are some people that might be thinking differently because it is 2021 afterall, and 2021 has been the year where people have displayed some ****ed up morality.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

pretending to be a woman to get a cushy jail term

yep

Sure it's appalling, your demographic need to do better.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by NoëlEdmonds

Why do I get the vivid impression that people are angered more at the culprits identity rather than their crimes

Without having been trans-identified, he'd have just been another old white pervy bloke; but being trans often comes with other mental disorders, and paraphilias often also have co-morditities, so his identity is as relevant as his crimes.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Sure it's appalling, your demographic need to do better.

Either this person is in the older white bloke demographic (because self-ID is inherently problematic and open to abuse by predators, which is the main argument that most people currently branded “TERFs” make) OR self-ID is safe and valid in which case, this person is a trans woman and member of the LGBTQ+ community.

You literally cannot have it both ways.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Either this person is in the older white bloke demographic (because self-ID is inherently problematic and open to abuse by predators, which is the main argument that most people currently branded “TERFs” make) OR self-ID is safe and valid in which case, this person is a trans woman and member of the LGBTQ+ community.

You literally cannot have it both ways.

Exactly.

[Liam-]

I mean, if this person really did pretend to be trans to try and get a ‘softer sentence’, which I think is just an assumption that’s being made so far, then the fact that they were sent to a males prison, surely that shows that in the vast minority of cases where people ‘pretend’ to be trans, that they don’t just automatically just get chucked into a women’s prison like people are fear mongering about.

Also, I think it’s about time that we looked into the differences between sentencings and conditions between male and female prisoners no? I mean, if some men are so desperate that they ‘pretend’ to be women to get an easier ride in the justice system, doesn’t that speak to something that should be looked at?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by NoëlEdmonds

Also, I think it’s about time that we looked into the differences between sentencings and conditions between male and female prisoners no? I mean, if some men are so desperate that they ‘pretend’ to be women to get an easier ride in the justice system, doesn’t that speak to something that should be looked at?

While this is a whole other discussion, I do totally agree.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by NoëlEdmonds

I mean, if this person really did pretend to be trans to try and get a ‘softer sentence’, which I think is just an assumption that’s being made so far, then the fact that they were sent to a males prison, surely that shows that in the vast minority of cases where people ‘pretend’ to be trans, that they don’t just automatically just get chucked into a women’s prison like people are fear mongering about.

Correct, because so far the campaigning to try to make this the default has not been successful, largely thanks to the pushback from GC feminists. Who are attacked, vilified and labelled TERFs for it by people who insist that "no one would pretend to be trans for softer sentencing or access to vulnerable women".

If those campaigning for unquestioning acceptance of self-ID were to be successful in getting their ideology put into legislation, then this person WOULD have been sent to a women's prison, as it would be illegal to send them to a male prison, due to their legal status being female purely on the basis of self-ID.

It's amazing that so many people who are heavily critical of Gender Critical Feminism apparently have no idea what people are actually campaigning against in terms of self-ID legislation. Amazing and worrying. People actively and aggressively supporting something through pure dogma whilst clearly admitting it is a possibility/problem one breath later. Madness.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by NoëlEdmonds

I mean, if this person really did pretend to be trans to try and get a ‘softer sentence’, which I think is just an assumption that’s being made so far, then the fact that they were sent to a males prison, surely that shows that in the vast minority of cases where people ‘pretend’ to be trans, that they don’t just automatically just get chucked into a women’s prison like people are fear mongering about.

Also, I think it’s about time that we looked into the differences between sentencings and conditions between male and female prisoners no? I mean, if some men are so desperate that they ‘pretend’ to be women to get an easier ride in the justice system, doesn’t that speak to something that should be looked at?

The bottom paragraph is a strong point imo.

We're meant to be living in an equal society, yet things like prison sentences shows that we're not.

In fairness women obviously have it worse in other areas than men, but I just wish for true equality for both genders in the areas where it's possible to achieve it, starting with criminal activity.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The bottom paragraph is a strong point imo.

We're meant to be living in an equal society, yet things like prison sentences shows that we're not.

In fairness women obviously have it worse in other areas than men, but I just wish for true equality for both genders in the areas where it's possible to achieve it, starting with criminal activity.

The vast majority of men in prison have A) been involved in violent crime and B) have extensive previous criminal activity on their records. Women are far less likely to reoffend, and are far less likely to be in prison for activity that poses a significant risk to the public.

These are just the facts… and the reason that sentencing in cases involving women is generally “lighter”. Sentencing decisions are made to best protect the public, not to punish, and certainly not in the name of “fairness”.

Now of course the real question is, WHY are violent crimes so much more likely to involve men, and what can be done about that.

[Elliot]

Prisons in general are quite immoral and cruel

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Prisons in general are quite immoral and cruel

as are the people who populate them

funny that

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

The vast majority of men in prison have A) been involved in violent crime and B) have extensive previous criminal activity on their records. Women are far less likely to reoffend, and are far less likely to be in prison for activity that poses a significant risk to the public.

These are just the facts… and the reason that sentencing in cases involving women is generally “lighter”. Sentencing decisions are made to best protect the public, not to punish, and certainly not in the name of “fairness”.

Now of course the real question is, WHY are violent crimes so much more likely to involve men, and what can be done about that.

That's true to some extent at least.

And that's an interesting question, men in general are more likely to do the real twisted crimes and tbh I have no idea why that is.

Today ironically I was watching a video on YouTube from an account called MrBallen, and he was talking about this guy who was a Real Estate Agent called Todd Kohlhepp, he seemed like a normal guy based on appearances, but it turned out that he killed 7 people at the very least with an attempt on 8th victim who thankfully survived and was the one that helped the Police catch the bastard, with 4 of his victims being on this 90-acre land where he was offering them a "cleaning job" but really he had other sick plans in mind.

Now I don't know why we're more likely to have a Todd Kohlhepp than we are a Rose West, if I was to hazard a guess I'd say that some men have a mental breakdown when they can't quite achieve what a man is "suppose to achieve" but that's based off a hunch rather than any evidence.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Prisons in general are quite immoral and cruel

Prisons definitely need fixing up a little bit.

Tbf though we do need them as it currently stands, because there's no better way of punishing the hardened criminals.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by NoëlEdmonds

I mean, if this person really did pretend to be trans to try and get a ‘softer sentence’, which I think is just an assumption that’s being made so far, then the fact that they were sent to a males prison, surely that shows that in the vast minority of cases where people ‘pretend’ to be trans, that they don’t just automatically just get chucked into a women’s prison like people are fear mongering about.

Also, I think it’s about time that we looked into the differences between sentencings and conditions between male and female prisoners no? I mean, if some men are so desperate that they ‘pretend’ to be women to get an easier ride in the justice system, doesn’t that speak to something that should be looked at?

But what about the women who are now subject to a peadophile/ sex offender because this person claims to be female?

If this has already been charged with sexual related offences, why should they get to go to a ‘safer’ prison where there’s a good chance that they may re-offend?

I agree that prisons can be awful and definitely need to be looked at, but in the end the only victims here are the dog, the kids who were sexually abused and then the women who may be at risk.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

But what about the women who are now subject to a peadophile/ sex offender because this person claims to be female?



If this has already been charged with sexual related offences, why should they get to go to a ‘safer’ prison where there’s a good chance that they may re-offend?



I agree that prisons can be awful and definitely need to be looked at, but in the end the only victims here are the dog, the kids who were sexually abused and then the women who may be at risk.

So women now have to deal with the fact that if they press charges and the guy claims to be a woman then she's potentially putting other vulnerable women at risk. Victory for misogynists