[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Wont some of those deaths be deaths that would have been put down to flu in normal times though? The age of the people who died would be helpful

yes as flu deaths seem not to occur at all at the moment

so its all bundled into one

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes as flu deaths seem not to occur at all at the moment

so its all bundled into one

Flu deaths are not “bundled into” Covid deaths unless the person who died of Flu also had Covid, and I don’t think there have been any such cases in the UK yet.

[bots]

i checked Arista's figures against the official figures because i just don't believe that the number on ventilators has stayed exactly the same across england scotland and wales for something like a month, but that is what is being reported. Something isnt right there for sure

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Saturday 11/12/21

132 have Died
54,037 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,413

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900

146,387 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i checked Arista's figures against the official figures because i just don't believe that the number on ventilators has stayed exactly the same across england scotland and wales for something like a month, but that is what is being reported. Something isnt right there for sure

They haven’t though

11/12/21

132 have Died
54,037 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,413

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900

146,387 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Flu deaths are not “bundled into” Covid deaths unless the person who died of Flu also had Covid, and I don’t think there have been any such cases in the UK yet.

But covid deaths are logged 28 days after testing positive for covid so there will be some other deaths in there that are not from directly from covid some of which could be flu...we don’t know

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

But covid deaths are logged 28 days after testing positive for covid so there will be some other deaths in there that are not from directly from covid some of which could be flu...we don’t know

A small percentage yea but the suggestion is that all flu deaths are for some reason being logged as Covid deaths. Flu deaths might have been mistaken for Covid deaths way back when we didn’t have reliable testing, but since then, it would as you say only be a death caused by flu of someone who also had a positive Covid test within 28 days before dying. In all probability it will have happened at some point, but only a small number of times. Most flu deaths will not be mistakenly counted in Covid figures. There seems to be some confusion about why we’re “not hearing about flu deaths” but that’s just because they’re not logging flu deaths (or any other deaths) daily like they do with Covid deaths and, as it’s always been, you only get those stats for the full year, once they’ve been compiled.

Deaths from flu and other non-Covid-related pneumonia in England and Wales in 2020 were 20,523. This is largely consistent with pre-Covid years (approx 20,000 PA).

The data for 2021 will not be available until late 2022… they take a while to compile. But to say they don’t exist/aren’t being logged/seem to have stopped is nonsense, this data is easily and clearly available via ONS.

FWIW I think once the pandemic is “over” or more stable I think we will eventually get more accurate revised stats about Covid cases, deaths and fatality ratios. That will likely be beyond 2025. The data we get as “live updates” now is messy and unrefined… but as close to accurate as is possible without more in depth analysis.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A small percentage yea but the suggestion is that all flu deaths are for some reason being logged as Covid deaths. Flu deaths might have been mistaken for Covid deaths way back when we didn’t have reliable testing, but since then, it would as you say only be a death caused by flu of someone who also had a positive Covid test within 28 days before dying. In all probability it will have happened at some point, but only a small number of times. Most flu deaths will not be mistakenly counted in Covid figures. There seems to be some confusion about why we’re “not hearing about flu deaths” but that’s just because they’re not logging flu deaths (or any other deaths) daily like they do with Covid deaths and, as it’s always been, you only get those stats for the full year, once they’ve been compiled.

Deaths from flu and other non-Covid-related pneumonia in England and Wales in 2020 were 20,523. This is largely consistent with pre-Covid years (approx 20,000 PA).

The data for 2021 will not be available until late 2022… they take a while to compile. But to say they don’t exist/aren’t being logged/seem to have stopped is nonsense, this data is easily and clearly available via ONS.

FWIW I think once the pandemic is “over” or more stable I think we will eventually get more accurate revised stats about Covid cases, deaths and fatality ratios. That will likely be beyond 2025. The data we get as “live updates” now is messy and unrefined… but as close to accurate as is possible without more in depth analysis.

I am pig sick of hearing people say that those who die in road accidents are being logged as Covid victims

They should track these Covid conspiracy theorists down and lock them up .. they are having such a negative effect imho


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I am pig sick of hearing people say that those who die in road accidents are being logged as Covid victims

They should track these Covid conspiracy theorists down and lock them up .. they are having such a negative effect imho


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But the sad fact is they are if they have tested positive for covid in the previous 28 days...so why are you pig sick of that fact?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I am pig sick of hearing people say that those who die in road accidents are being logged as Covid victims

They should track these Covid conspiracy theorists down and lock them up .. they are having such a negative effect imho


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Originally Posted by Cherie

But the sad fact is they are if they have tested positive for covid in the previous 28 days...so why are you pig sick of that fact?

They are but for context, there are on average 4 or 5 road traffic deaths per day in the UK (1500 or so a year)… it’s not really relevant to say that 4 out of the 200 deaths might actually have been car crash victims. And that’s if all of those 4 or 5 were Covid positive within 28 days of dying which is highly unlikely. It will be at most one or two here and there. Not relevant at all to the overall stats.

I guess maybe people are massively over-estimating how many people die in car crashes?

(Thankfully) the truth about overall Death Stats is that most people die in old age (75+) and of various ailments, cancers, pneumonias, heart failure etc. but what could mostly just be termed “old age”.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

But the sad fact is they are if they have tested positive for covid in the previous 28 days...so why are you pig sick of that fact?

Because the stories are undermining the issues ..

Too many now believe that it’s just a government hoax and nobody is dying of Covid ... it’s no wonder it’s spreading like wildfire in Gtr Manchester


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[bots]

it doesn't really matter how they collate data in the short term, provided it is done consistently, because what is most beneficial during a period like this is trends. Absolute numbers dont really mean anything to the layman.

Flu will still be happening, but the wearing of face masks, together with a solid uptake of the flu vaccine will have helped those figures a lot. The reason flu has been less of an issue the last 2 years is mask wearing and social distancing. It's pretty obvious really.

The same people vulnerable to covid are also vulnerable to flu so any mitigations against covid also help the flu