[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

But take into account the facts people go on holiday to relax and have a good time
You don’t going on holiday thinking your kids are going to be kidnapped or murdered because that is not normal

They made a mistake it was not purposeful neglect

I really don't understand why you continue to defend the Mcanns?. Would you still be as sympathetic ,if it was 2 lower class people on benefits who drink alot? .

Because I bet you anything the child services would have taken away their other 2 children, and considered them Unfit parents.

Yes you don't go on holiday expecting your kids to be kidnapped,but surely you'd be more alert and have your wits about you .

There is no good reason to leave 3 BABIES alone! in a holiday home in a different place . Even if they were back in the UK in their own surroundings it STILL would have been very risky, so why put your children in further danger,it makes no sense.

Which is why I think both parents were selfish & neglectful ,and you'll never persuade me otherwise.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

........!!!!

The best part is that everyone who arguest this point who has kids themselves, you ask them "Would YOU have done it?" and the answer is invariably "Well... err... no... but..."

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The best part is that everyone who arguest this point who has kids themselves, you ask them "Would YOU have done it?" and the answer is invariably "Well... err... no... but..."

Of course they wouldn't because it's completely neglectful. Apart from anything else danger wise I wouldn't have done it at the age or even a lot older because if a 3 year old wakes up in the middle of the night and can't find an adult they will be terrified which we already know had happened the previous night and they STILL went out the next night anyway. I'd be thinking, oh my god imagine if Madeleine woke up, went looking for her parents straight out the unlocked patio door and ended up in the pool? I know water and pool safety is a massive thing parents do worry about around young kids, there have been many many tragedies with small children drowning on holiday

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If a person lived across the road from a pub and had 3 kids under 3 and went to the pub every night to eat and for a few drinks leaving the kids unattended. If a fire then broke out in between checking on the kids and they perished in a fire....do you not think that would be neglect as they were being checked on?

The case of the lady who popped out to the shop for five minutes and her kids burned to death just before Christmas I think she was arrested

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021...don-house-fire

no sign of the McCanns being arrested is there

[Cherie]

I think the worst part of this for me is Maddie telling them she felt scared the night before but they still went out.... that does not smack of good parenting

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think the worst part of this for me is Maddie telling them she felt scared the night before but they still went out.... that does not smack of good parenting

Yeah exactly, taking all possible risk out of it just your child being scared and alone is surely enough reason not to do that?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The case of the lady who popped out to the shop for five minutes and her kids burned to death just before Christmas I think she was arrested

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021...don-house-fire

no sign of the McCanns being arrested is there

The absolutely bizarre thing is, if she HAD gone out and fallen in the pool and drowned, or if a fire had broken out and the kids were stuck inside, I reckon they absolutely would have faced charges. Apparently being abducted is somehow different. Why? Surely what happened is irrelevant, the point is that something bad happened and it happened because they weren't there.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly, taking all possible risk out of it just your child being scared and alone is surely enough reason not to do that?

My daughter would lose her **** if she woke up in the night on holiday and we were nowhere to be found, and she's 12 .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My daughter would lose her **** if she woke up in the night on holiday and we were nowhere to be found, and she's 12 .

My kids would have too

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My kids would have too

I guess it's not a concern if you're confident that they're not going to wake up. *cough cough*

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I guess it's not a concern if you're confident that they're not going to wake up. *cough cough*

Mmmmm hhhhmmm

[Niamh.]

Actually a cynical person may wonder what the reason was that they choose to share the "fact" that Madeleine had woken up the previous night.....

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Actually a cynical person may wonder what the reason was that they choose to share the "fact" that Madeleine had woken up the previous night.....

I've always found that very weird

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I really don't understand why you continue to defend the Mcanns?. Would you still be as sympathetic ,if it was 2 lower class people on benefits who drink alot? .

Because I bet you anything the child services would have taken away their other 2 children, and considered them Unfit parents.

Yes you don't go on holiday expecting your kids to be kidnapped,but surely you'd be more alert and have your wits about you .

There is no good reason to leave 3 BABIES alone! in a holiday home in a different place . Even if they were back in the UK in their own surroundings it STILL would have been very risky, so why put your children in further danger,it makes no sense.

Which is why I think both parents were selfish & neglectful ,and you'll never persuade me otherwise.

This has nothing to do with social status and it’s nothing to do with defending the McCanns

Its looking at the bigger picture, no one on is the perfect parent even if you think you are

This is my last post on this subject because I’m bored with all you lot trying to preach

[Glenn.]

So anyway… we’re back to how scummy and neglectful the parents are.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My daughter would lose her **** if she woke up in the night on holiday and we were nowhere to be found, and she's 12 .

Yes sadly
they failed as parents

[Swan]

I think they killed her. I'm not sure how or why, but im certain they're responsible for Madeleine's death.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Swan

I think they killed her. I'm not sure how or why, but im certain they're responsible for Madeleine's death.

I've never trusted them , too many things are suspect .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

I think they killed her. I'm not sure how or why, but im certain they're responsible for Madeleine's death.

The "occams razor" of the case is that they had drugged the children (probably OTC antihistamines) to keep them asleep so that they could go out and relax and Madeleine sadly either had a bad reaction and died in her sleep, or woke and had some sort of accident (such as a fall). "Why would they cover up an accident/stage an abduction" - because a post mortem would have shown the sedatives.

It's a sad, simple story that aligns with every single piece of the circumstantial evidence.

Crucially, it's blatantly also what the Portuguese authorities at the time believed may have happened.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure, though. Unless one of them tells the full story from their deathbed or something.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Saying that if they had been with them it would never of happened can’t be proven

Sitting in a small apartment...they would have heard noises. Its not like it was a BIG place.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The problem is you are making up different versions of the events to gain ground
You can only judge on that one situation

For example, was James bulger’s mum guilty of neglect because he got separated from his mum while shopping

Was she more interested in shopping than keeping an eye on her son


It’s easier to judge than it is to be judged

Every one who drives has been over the speed limit at one point in time, it’s only when some thing goes wrong while speeding that one hey become the devil

But Sheriff...JB abduction was very unfortunate. I lost my 3 year old in Marks and Spencers..darting into a clothes rail to hide...it took seconds!! To leave children out of sight remember..120 metres and a minutes walk away in an unlocked apartment is just unacceptable...and simply negligent.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The "occams razor" of the case is that they had drugged the children (probably OTC antihistamines) to keep them asleep so that they could go out and relax and Madeleine sadly either had a bad reaction and died in her sleep, or woke and had some sort of accident (such as a fall). "Why would they cover up an accident/stage an abduction" - because a post mortem would have shown the sedatives.

It's a sad, simple story that aligns with every single piece of the circumstantial evidence.

Crucially, it's blatantly also what the Portuguese authorities at the time believed may have happened.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure, though. Unless one of them tells the full story from their deathbed or something.

I always wondered if they drugged them especially as Madeline had woken te night before. If they had overdosed her then it would have been accidental...when would they have got rid of the body and then sit through dinner looking happy...it doesnt add up.
The police in some of these countries will do anything to point the finger for the sake of their reputation and tourism.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I always wondered if they drugged them especially as Madeline had woken te night before. If they had overdosed her then it would have been accidental...when would they have got rid of the body and then sit through dinner looking happy...it doesnt add up.
The police in some of these countries will do anything to point the finger for the sake of their reputation and tourism.

Well someone else could have been involved / working with the parents.

But we'll probably never find out for sure. But I watched a video on YouTube about it a while ago ,and everything points to The parents.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"But I watched a video on YouTube about it a while ago ,and everything points to The parents."


I will just leave this here in this.............. "thread"

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"But I watched a video on YouTube about it a while ago ,and everything points to The parents."


I will just leave this here in this.............. "thread"

Haven't you just dropped a vid in the JK Rowling thread you think proves something?

Ycnmiu