[Oliver_W]

The current Supreme Court is two-thirds Republican appointed. While at the same time, two-thirds of the SCOTUS women are Dems. A quick bit of research shows that both of the Dem women have at least some history of being anti-abortion before they joined SCOTUS...

The Democrats are closer to our Tories rather than being actually left wing, so what party the President who elevated them belongs to doesn't really mean much tbh.

(I wasn't trying to make any particular point with those numbers, just pondering)

Banning late term abortions is one thing, but banning them altogether? Nah mate.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The current Supreme Court is two-thirds Republican appointed. While at the same time, two-thirds of the SCOTUS women are Dems. A quick bit of research shows that both of the Dem women have at least some history of being anti-abortion before they joined SCOTUS...

The Democrats are closer to our Tories rather than being actually left wing, so what party the President who elevated them belongs to doesn't really mean much tbh.

The bit in bold isn't really true. Even those that are anti-abortion, still view the issue in wider terms than personal religion or ideology. Biden himself is anti-abortion (Catholicism), or he was until very recently, but he also understands it's not his place to hand over control of women's bodies to the government. There's a clear distinction between the judges nominated by both parties.

Judicial appointments are political in nature, so right wing repubs nominate extreme judges, and democrat centrists, nominate centrists.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Democrats are closer to our Tories rather than being actually left wing, so what party the President who elevated them belongs to doesn't really mean much tbh.

I see this a lot but the truth really is that the political cultures are just not that comparable... there are aspects of "the divide" that are along the same lines but in truth none of dems/republicans/labour/tories can be equated. America is politically skewed to the right at its very roots because of how it was founded and the constitution... Lockean philosophy is baked right into it and is essentially also at the core of capitalist thinking. What the US declares "lefty" is often barely left of center.

[Niamh.]

Both our main parties in Ireland are pretty centre

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Both our main parties in Ireland are pretty centre

I used to think the same of the SNP but am coming to see that what I thought was centrism might actually just be populism. Sigh. I used to have plenty of praise but it's honestly been eroded down to "...well, they're still better than the Tories". But TBQFH that's only because I trust them to fight for Scottish interests whereas I know if the Tories had their way they'd drain everything north of Cambridge down south with a straw.

[arista]

Biden was Live


Moaning

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I didn't realise how long the article was when I was copying, so apologies for the essay.

Can't you condense it into one paragraph? Just take out the boring bits.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Can't you condense it into one paragraph? Just take out the boring bits.

There's nothing in it about Trump or old DVD box sets Alf.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's nothing in it about Trump or old DVD box sets Alf.

Not worth the time of day then, is it?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Not worth the time of day then, is it?

A complete waste of half an hour!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Alf

Can't you condense it into one paragraph? Just take out the boring bits.

1. Judges believe abortion is not a constitutional right

2. Ban on abortion is not constitutional

3. States should have final say on abortion

4. States have a right to decide what is and isn’t legal

5. Republicans hold sway in Supreme Court

6. Abortion battle moves from federal to state level

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

1. Judges believe abortion is not a constitutional right

2. Ban on abortion is not constitutional

3. States should have final say on abortion

4. States have a right to decide what is and isn’t legal

5. Republicans hold sway in Supreme Court

6. Abortion battle moves from federal to state level

Devolution.

[Liam-]

‘ The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions’ is one hell of a warning shot to any group that has ever had to fight for their rights and to be recognised as legitimate people

[bots]

America isn't deeply rooted, so its a bit of a blinder of a statement .... just do away with it

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I used to think the same of the SNP but am coming to see that what I thought was centrism might actually just be populism. Sigh. I used to have plenty of praise but it's honestly been eroded down to "...well, they're still better than the Tories". But TBQFH that's only because I trust them to fight for Scottish interests whereas I know if the Tories had their way they'd drain everything north of Cambridge down south with a straw.

The last bit sounds like the new abortion procedure for millions of americans.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

‘ The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions’ is one hell of a warning shot to any group that has ever had to fight for their rights and to be recognised as legitimate people

Liam is right, what if this madness spills over from just affecting women and starts affecting groups that people actually care about .

[Liam-]

Normally I’d bite at your petty, argumentative attempts to twist my words, but I actually just can’t be bothered today, gonna give myself a day off, you should probably consider doing the same sometime, it must be exhausting being that passive aggressive constantly

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Normally I’d bite at your petty, argumentative attempts to twist my words, but I actually just can’t be bothered today, gonna give myself a day off, you should probably consider doing the same sometime, it must be exhausting being that passive aggressive constantly

What else would I do with my leisure time?

[Liam-]

Idk, maybe not take enjoyment from antagonising and demeaning people?

[The Slim Reaper]

Anyone know what the fallacy is called, when someone misrepresents a proposition in order to knock it down?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Idk, maybe not take enjoyment from antagonising and demeaning people?

If I was doing it for the sake of it (which it might seem because it was made flippantly), sure, but I stand by my point to be honest. I don't see any particular reason to make a thread about abortion rights about other issues, especially not when there's an undertone of "that making it even worse", which there was a little bit.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Anyone know what the fallacy is called, when someone misrepresents a proposition in order to knock it down?

Your Logical Fallacy Is:

Attacking the Plastic man.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Your Logical Fallacy Is:

Attacking the Plastic man.

I was just asking a question. No one is attacking anyone, well, mostly at least...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If I was doing it for the sake of it (which it might seem because it was made flippantly), sure, but I stand by my point to be honest. I don't see any particular reason to make a thread about abortion rights about other issues, especially not when there's an undertone of "that making it even worse", which there was a little bit.

I mean, overturning this Supreme Court decision, on the basis of the words I quoted, is going to set a very clear precedent for all maligned groups of people, women obviously included, if you’ve read anything further into that then that’s most definitely a you problem, you seem to be spiralling, maybe you should take a break from the forum for your own sake?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I mean, overturning this Supreme Court decision, on the basis of the words I quoted, is going to set a very clear precedent for all maligned groups of people, women obviously included, if you’ve read anything further into that then that’s most definitely a you problem, you seem to be spiralling, maybe you should take a break from the forum for your own sake?

I didn't even say you were wrong, it's just a little bit "all lives matter" isn't it.