[Swan]

Originally Posted by Denver

Because its full of non white Muslims

Maybe not great for whitey in that sense then, but excellent for people who hate women and gay people.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

What I thought when I popped on to tibb and knew I would see racism.

Same here!

[Gusto Brunt]

He doesn't look like a Doctor to me. He's far too young.

If he'd been 40 or 50, then okay. But why so young??? He looks more like the teenage assistant than the Doctor.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

He doesn't look like a Doctor to me. He's far too young.

If he'd been 40 or 50, then okay. But why so young??? He looks more like the teenage assistant than the Doctor.

He is a similar age to David Tennant and Matt Smith when they took over

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Denver

He is a similar age to David Tennant and Matt Smith when they took over

The picture I saw of him must be very old then because he looked about 16 in that.

[Liam-]

He’s older than Smith when he started

[Cherie]

Is Discord down for the day

Only joking guys how lovely to see you all

[Cherie]

Never watched Dr Who

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He’s older than Smith when he started

He's 30 this year. Just found out and in the picture, I saw of him just now, he does look older than 16.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Is Discord down for the day

Looks like its working well...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

He's 30 this year. Just found out and in the picture, I saw of him just now, he does look older than 16.

Well yeah, publicity headshots are of course airbrushed to heck, in candid photos he looks more his age judging an actor/ess by his or her headshot is like judging a book by its cover.

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, that's that.

I tried to watch it with a woman doctor and it sucked. SOOOOOOO hard.

Now we have a black man. Give me strength. They might as well just cancel it now. The BBC is just trying too hard

Meh. It's the BBC in "The Current Year", it was never gonna be a white man. Either roll with it or go without.

Anyway, waaaay back when the Second Doctor was being forced by the Time Lords to regenerate, they initially gave him an array of photos as to what he'd look like. One or two of them were obviously non-white. The Doctor's skin colour isn't important.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Is Discord down for the day

Only joking guys how lovely to see you all

[user104658]

I can honestly see absolutely no justification for having a problem with the doctor being non-white other than ... well ... racism, sorry. I'd say it's FAIRLY obvious that, say Chris Eccleston and David Tennant have different genetic histories, they're not similar-looking men, so in terms of the core concepts of the show there's no reason he'd constantly be a white man.

I have more sympathy for the notion that The Doctor shouldn't have been made female, simply because it makes more sense (in terms of genetics) that Time Lords would have a biological sex and each regeneration sould still be the same sex. That said - it's high-concept sci fi so if it's established lore, it's established lore. I also have to give Doctor Who in general props for always establishing precedent; we saw a time lord swap genders at regeneration with Missy. We've also seen time lords regenerate with a race change before.

So long as they don't fundamentally change the character there's no issue. Or there shouldn't be. Which is why I'd find it hard to swallow if The Doctor suddenly became exclusively gay. The race "issue" should not be an issue.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Denver

He is a similar age to David Tennant and Matt Smith when they took over

Matt Smith was even younger when he started, he was like 27 .

[Crimson Dynamo]

iv just found out he is Scottish

Im all for him tbh, a refreshing change and looks like the jaded series in on the up!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Also it's down to the writing aswell. I heard Whittaker got some bad scripts/ plots.

The issue with the Whittaker era wasn't Whittaker at all. I think it took her slightly longer to "find" the character than Tennant or Smith - but I'd say the same about Capaldi. When she did she was a good doctor.

The writing however is 80% trash. A decision was made at some point to dumb-down the sci fi and make it all more kid-friendly when it had been becoming more and more clearly aimed at an older audience throughout the latter half of the Tennant era, the whole Smith era, and definitely the Capaldi era... it was a terrible move. Whittaker did her best with it. There are one or two great episodes where she shines, it's a pity the consistency is so low.

I strongly suspect the latter half of the Smith seasons will always be the show's peak for me personally but still willing to give it a chance ... just go back to it being a little darker.

[bots]

people talking with nostalgia about the early series seem to have forgotten the dreadful acting and the cardboard sets

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I can honestly see absolutely no justification for having a problem with the doctor being non-white other than ... well ... racism, sorry. I'd say it's FAIRLY obvious that, say Chris Eccleston and David Tennant have different genetic histories, they're not similar-looking men, so in terms of the core concepts of the show there's no reason he'd constantly be a white man.

I have more sympathy for the notion that The Doctor shouldn't have been made female, simply because it makes more sense (in terms of genetics) that Time Lords would have a biological sex and each regeneration sould still be the same sex. That said - it's high-concept sci fi so if it's established lore, it's established lore. I also have to give Doctor Who in general props for always establishing precedent; we saw a time lord swap genders at regeneration with Missy. We've also seen time lords regenerate with a race change before.

So long as they don't fundamentally change the character there's no issue. Or there shouldn't be. Which is why I'd find it hard to swallow if The Doctor suddenly became exclusively gay. The race "issue" should not be an issue.

Yeah the master became a woman and didn't they become Asian aswell at some point? . So yeah it's not the first time a time lord has changed race .

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The issue with the Whittaker era wasn't Whittaker at all. I think it took her slightly longer to "find" the character than Tennant or Smith - but I'd say the same about Capaldi. When she did she was a good doctor.

To be fair the first season of Capaldi was his Doctor pondering if he's "a good man", and worthy of the reputation the Doctor carries. The payoff was that he didn't need to specifically be a good man or bad man - he was just an idiot with a box! What did he need with an army of Cybermen from the Master?!

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Livia

You have NO WAY of knowing that. No way at all.

NO way is a black doctor taking anything back to the glory days.

I mean, no one has any way of knowing anything really if you want to get deep about it. It’s my opinion. A widely held opinion among fans of Doctor Who though, and evidenced by the originally high ratings which I mentioned.

[Denver]

The people on here who are actually attacking a man for for being black need to realise it is a hate crime to be racist, but I bet you a tenner they are all 2 faced when in public as they can only he their true selves when hidden behind a keyboard, thank god they will never be anyones role model

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Denver

The people on here who are actually attacking a man for for being black need to realise it is a hate crime to be racist, but I bet you a tenner they are all 2 faced when in public as they can only he their true selves when hidden behind a keyboard, thank god they will never be anyones role model

Who is attacking a black man for being black, just wondered?

What about these middle eastern Arabs who are notorious for treating black Africans like dogs, murder gay people, and don't allow women any basic human rights?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Swan

Who is attacking a black man for being black, just wondered?

What about these middle eastern Arabs who are notorious for treating black Africans like dogs, murder gay people, and don't allow women any basic human rights?

You only have to look back up the thread where one poster had the nerve to saw a black actor is incapable of being a good doctor because of no reason other then the colour of his skin

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Denver

You only have to look back up the thread where one poster had the nerve to saw a black actor is incapable of being a good doctor because of no reason other then the colour of his skin

Why did you say "the people"

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair the first season of Capaldi was his Doctor pondering if he's "a good man", and worthy of the reputation the Doctor carries. The payoff was that he didn't need to specifically be a good man or bad man - he was just an idiot with a box! What did he need with an army of Cybermen from the Master?!

The Eccleston to Smith to Capaldi progression is honestly just a masterclass in plot development IMO. Eccleston is a bit weird and "alien like", meets Rose who slowsly starts to "humanise" him into the Tennant era, Tennant's ego slowly increases and he becomes over-confident, an element of rage starts creeping in that continues into the Smith era... by the end Smith is honestly a bit of a monster at times... starting to think of himself as a God. The reason he's my favourite doctor is because he could switch the character from whimsical to really quite dark and intimidating like flipping a switch. All comes to a head at Trenzalore and you end up with Capaldi - still arrogant, but now bitter, easily frustrated and unsure of who he is... something that he resolves throughout that era (and ultimately it's catalysed by the death of Clara/removal of her from his memory - sort of like an "anti-Rose").

Capaldi Part 2 has some good standalone episodes but lacks direction and the whole Whittaker era didn't seem to know what it was doing. In hindsight, I think that's because a massive character arc spanning an entire decade had concluded... "where next" is a tough question. I saw what they were going for - that Capaldi doctor having resolved all of those issues would be reborn as someone more youthful, enthusiastic and gentle, but it's a tough sell after all that drama.