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Originally Posted by Liam-

Obviously not, because older women are empowered when they choose to date younger men, older men are always just perverts when they get with younger women, it would be called sexist to make it a point of contention

Yep classic DOUBLE STANDARDS .

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That says it all really

Have a look what someone who knew her said about Amber. It's even worse than I thought!

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

Have a look what someone who knew her said about Amber. It's even worse than I thought!

It's really disturbing

Good job this toxic relationship ended before things got even worse!.

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's really disturbing

Good job this toxic relationship ended before things got even worse!.

She's someone who can't control her anger.
Unhinged and deranged.

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's someone who can't control her anger.
Unhinged and deranged.

She lied about having PTSD aswell wow

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

She lied about having PTSD aswell wow

Yes, she doesn't have it. More likely Johnny has it from the abuse from her.

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Yes, because you’re so objective yourself, the person who said they made their mind up as soon as he realised their ages when they got together

What does that have to do with objectivity? It’s a huge part of my opinions on this whole thing, yes, certainly not all of it. He was in his mid to late 40's when they met and she was in her early 20's. That’s a huge defining factor in any relationship, although I know some people tell themselves that people suddenly pop into full adulthood at 21 (or even 18, for the truly deluded).

Originally Posted by Liam-

Obviously not, because older women are empowered when they choose to date younger men, older men are always just perverts when they get with younger women, it would be called sexist to make it a point of contention

I feel no differently at all about when it’s an older woman, it’s also not about being a pervert, it’s about the inevitable vast difference in life experience. Especially in a relationship, a 45 year old is simply bringing a lot more history into it than a 25 year old, and thus are far more likely to be the dominant influence on that relationship. Johnny Depp brought alcohol, cocaine and trashed hotel rooms. These are uncontested facts. Their relationship being messy is a no-brainer.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He opened up this case because the case he opened against The Sun went nowhere as it was found, in court, that there was sufficient evidence for the things they had said about them and thus it was not libel. That’s the only reason he decided to take Herd herself to court. Petty revenge. There’s text messages of him saying as much, also… again I’m sure “not good enough” evidence. They settled the rest of it years ago.

He knows his reputation is damaged so he’s taken it to court to destroy hers too in revenge and to play up to the fan base that he still has. That’s worked better than he could have imagined and he’s drawn in a new fan base alongside (MRA's, meme bros, other assorted incels who are happy to watch a witch trial). They’re the ones pushing all of the social media misinformation, e.g. the supposed “talented mr ripley” quotes which I assume we can now all agree was entirely false?

You’ve hit the nail on the head really - WHY would he start this media circus knowing that it could only do more damage to his reputation. What’s your answer to that question? It’s certainly not for the money, he has more than she’ll ever have. There’s only one viable answer. He started this because he’s (still) angry and he wants to punish her. He’s said so in his own words. This is the mindset of a controlling abuser. Anyone with any real objectivity can understand that.

He started this absurdity when his drug mangled mind couldnt recognise when a greedy lawyer was after some easy money by telling him it would be a good idea,

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I don't think it's fair though to assume just because Depp was older that he automatically had a "dominant influence" , i mean yes it does happen especially with young naive people who haven't had much life experiences . And i understand the whole maturity thing as i myself have questioned some people's motives who get with really old or really young people.

And yes mentally people's brain's don't fully mature until they're 25 (everyone is different though) i would say, and even then they probably wouldn't make the same silly mistakes they made when they turn 40. So yeah some need alot of growing up to do.

But Heard had already had a few relationships and had a history of violence. It's not like she was some Amish virgin girl out of touch with drugs , alcohol , men and sex. She was not innocent and it looks like something was going on with James Franco , whilst she was with Johnny Depp.

Regardless of age people can still be bullied and abused by the other person, anyone can be vulnerable. Depp's age is irrelevant considering they were both adults when they met, he was not some evil predator that chased her . She knew he had addiction problems.

You could argue 'why didn't Depp leave ' as he must have so much life experience at his age that he knew the best thing would be to get out . But he said he didn't want to because his dad did the same thing to his mum , that right there proves there's alot of psychological issues and that he's a broken man.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I wonder if the age gap would be brought up and blamed if Madonna, and her toy boy was in this exact same type of toxic relationship that went to court.

Madonna's about 80 now, her toyboy would be Depp's age.

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I wonder if the age gap would be brought up and blamed if Madonna, and her toy boy was in this exact same type of toxic relationship that went to court.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't think it's fair though to assume just because Depp was older that he automatically had a "dominant influence" , i mean yes it does happen especially with young naive people who haven't had much life experiences . And i understand the whole maturity thing as i myself have questioned some people's motives who get with really old or really young people.

And yes mentally people's brain's don't fully mature until they're 25 (everyone is different though) i would say, and even then they probably wouldn't make the same silly mistakes they made when they turn 40. So yeah some need alot of growing up to do.

But Heard had already had a few relationships and had a history of violence. It's not like she was some Amish virgin girl out of touch with drugs , alcohol , men and sex. She was not innocent and it looks like something was going on with James Franco , whilst she was with Johnny Depp.

Regardless of age people can still be bullied and abused by the other person, anyone can be vulnerable. Depp's age is irrelevant considering they were both adults when they met, he was not some evil predator that chased her . She knew he had addiction problems.

You could argue 'why didn't Depp leave ' as he must have so much life experience at his age that he knew the best thing would be to get out . But he said he didn't want to because his dad did the same thing to his mum , that right there proves there's alot of psychological issues and that he's a broken man.

But Heard had already had a few relationships and had a history of violence





Actions of an immature mind In an adults world.

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Originally Posted by parmnion

He started this absurdity when his drug mangled mind couldnt recognise when a greedy lawyer was after some easy money by telling him it would be a good idea,

I suspect you’re probably right there Parmy. Not necessarily that he was on drugs when he agreed to it - but that the only “winners” in any of this are going to be the lawyers getting paid millions in a case that’s likely to go nowhere. I agree that any legal representation who advised him any of this was a good idea is very dodgy. That goes right back to the initial action against the tabloids, long before they had the idea to go after Heard herself (when trying with the papers failed).

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I think Heard's maturity level is just the tip ,seen as she's been diagnosed with ' personality disorder' .

And back to the topic of someone having a "bad influence" on their partner or even friend, yes i agree it can happen.

But i just don't see that with Heard. I mean is it plausible she got more involved with drugs due to Depp's substance abuse , yes possibly as she's around it .But she doesn't exactly come across as someone who would be forced into something. She has alot of problems herself .

And Depp already knows his reputation is damaged, this court case and law suit is not about money (only for the lawyers of course), but for Depp i think he just want's to clear his name or atleast lay all his cards out and be candid . He knows he's risking everything , but he probably already thinks he's lost everything now.

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Drug abuser loses everything....poor me poor me....poor me another one.

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it's pretty obvious to me that they both escalated things in their relationship. Drugs and alcohol can screw a relationship up very quickly

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https://twitter.com/Bloodloss_Movie/...evz6xjeBA&s=19
This is what Lady Victoria said about the case

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https://twitter.com/BeautyFoodBlog/s...YfYJrJCHA&s=1A
Amber telling her plan to Johnny

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So far from what I've seen ,the only thing I think Depp is lying about is the amount of drugs he took on their honeymoon. And I think it's because he's ashamed & embarrassed.

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So far from what I've seen ,the only thing I think Depp is lying about is the amount of drugs he took on their honeymoon. And I think it's because he's ashamed & embarrassed.

Or, y’know, because he has a documented history of getting aggressive/violent when he’s been taking a lot of drugs.

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Amber also drinks and uses drugs. As testified by her ex nurse, who said she has a drink and cocaine problem.
Amber herself told her that.
So her drug use could also lead her to be violent.

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

Amber also drinks and uses drugs. As testified by her ex nurse, who said she has a drink and cocaine problem.
Amber herself told her that.
So her drug use could also lead her to be violent.

The key word

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

The key word

I don't think Johnny was violent to her. I think Amber definitely violent to him.
But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think Johnny was violent to her. I think Amber definitely violent to him.
But that's just my opinion.

Too late, you said also

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Too late, you said also

I never said Johnny was violent TO Amber.
He smashed some cabinets, that happened after be found out his mother died and someone that worked' for him was stealing millions.

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

Amber also drinks and uses drugs. As testified by her ex nurse, who said she has a drink and cocaine problem.
Amber herself told her that.
So her drug use could also lead her to be violent.

I don't know why you keep hammering this point home... I've never once disputed that Amber Heard has probably been violent towards Johnny Depp. I don't think anyone has? That's not what the trial is about. Yes she clearly did also have substance abuse problems, it was clearly another big part of their toxic relationship. Alongside violence.

But here's what the court case is about;

1) Amber Heard wrote about experiencing violence from Johnny Depp during their relationship.

2) He claims he was never violent and so the above is defamation.

3) The ONLY question is if Depp has ever gotten physical with Heard. Circumstances don't matter, provokation doesn't matter, her character doesn't matter, the poopoo on his pillow doesn't matter... none of it matters. If he got physical then it isn't libel and that's the whole case.

It's not a criminal trial for assault or domestic abuse. It's a defamation trial. If what she wrote was even loosely true (i.e. if even once he lost his cool and slapped her around - which there is evidence of him admitting himself via text message unless you think he was giving a grovelling apology for something he didn't do - then what she said/wrote isn't libellous. Case over.