[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You'll be accused of "the age old trope of comparing gay people and trans people to paedophiles" for bringing it into the discussion of course, even though it has nothing to do with that. It's not saying that these are the same people; it's saying be very careful about what you allow to be set as legal precedent because people with a very different agenda can then use that precedent to argue their own case with similar arguments.

That's really a big part of it too. I'm all for the maximum rights for the maximum number of people; it's just that changes need to be properly considered before they're made and all angles examined for unintended consequences. One thing that often strikes me is that both women, gay and trans people pushed their rights forward in increments for DECADES and very successfully, making sometimes slow but clearly very real progress.

Then something "new" arrived and declared loudly "I want my rights NOW" and I think that people are inclined to think, well, "fair enough" but the rush is going to cause untold damage and when it all ends up being stripped back, it'll take those properly established rights along with it and set everything back by decades. It's already bloody happening stateside.

I mean these people are trying to hop on the LGBTQ+ train, I'm the one saying they're nothing alike so shouldn't be anywhere near it and they should be the ones getting mad that they're trying to associate themselves with that movement, same with furries.

The States are an absolute mess atm from all sides and all angles. Hopefully we''ll learn some lessons on what not to do over this side of the world by watching them