[bots]

i said way back when Britney regained control that we hadn't heard the last from Jamie Spears, so I don't personally think his going to court was influenced by Depp

[Liam-]

All I got from that is that you believe he shouldn’t have been allowed to fully share his side of the story, effectively silencing him, which is funnily enough what you Amber stans are claiming is happening to her, it’s sad how much hostility and unfairness men are faced with today simply for being men, do better, he deserved his day in court to give his full version of events and he got it, the law was followed and he won.

If people believe that they have been defamed then they have the legal right to do something about it if they have the resources to do so, that’s the law, the law doesn’t stop working just because a woman is being accused of something, no matter how much you lot want that to be the case, sorry if that makes you sad.

Also, Brad Pitt isn’t suing for defamation, it’s a contract dispute, still Johnny’s fault though right? Cause **** men

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i said way back when Britney regained control that we hadn't heard the last from Jamie Spears, so I don't personally think his going to court was influenced by Depp

Some Amber supporters will believe anything. I mean, they believe her.

Shock horror that a man might want to defend himself when accused of allegations.

Yet, if a woman claims certain allegations we are just meant to believe her because, what, she's a woman?... And women are abused more than men even though a lot of men don't come forward because it would make them less of man....

It's alright having all this feminism... I am on support of women's rights also, but I am equally in support of men's rights too. If women want equality then they should expect to be treated the same as men or have equal opportunities to them.... This doesn't happen in reality. Women's rights are pushed so far down our throats that men are often overlooked

[Liam-]

MRA is your favourite subject. If I got a pound everytime you mentioned it I would be rich now.

I actually think if it gives a platform to others who have been abused to speak out then it's a good thing.

It's not the case with Jamie spears

It’s all they have, in their minds anybody that doesn’t automatically believe all women or don’t blindly support women in every instance ever, belongs to some online, woman hating cesspit, it’s laughable and completely demonstrates why the more extreme side of the feminist movement is often laughed at and not taken seriously

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i said way back when Britney regained control that we hadn't heard the last from Jamie Spears, so I don't personally think his going to court was influenced by Depp

I think you're right that there was no way he was going to let her go but the specifics of him suddenly deciding that a defamation case is the way to do that, and right now, is too much of a coincidence for me personally. Yes I think he's probably been trying to think of ways to return to court - but I think the Depp trial has probably served as kindling for the method. And that's what I'm talking about above, really. It's not that it's going to be prompting random men who were just going about their day into suddenly starting legal proceedings. It's just shone a light on a "possible path" to doing so.

"Hmmmm how can I get this back in court... how can I get this back in court... how can I still win this... hmmmmm"

*Depp vs Heard, Depp wins, everyone collectively cums their Jack Sparrow boxers*

"AHA! Defamation!!"

It sets precedent - not legal precedent as obviously precedent for libel already exists - but precedent in the immediate mindset of the public.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s all they have, in their minds anybody that doesn’t automatically believe all women or don’t blindly support women in every instance ever, belongs to some online, woman hating cesspit, it’s laughable and completely demonstrates why the more extreme side of the feminist movement is often laughed at and not taken seriously

Yep, I agree with a lot of what you say and the points you make in numerous cposts

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

All I got from that is that you believe he shouldn’t have been allowed to fully share his side of the story, effectively silencing him, which is funnily enough what you Amber stans are claiming is happening to her, it’s sad how much hostility and unfairness men are faced with today simply for being men, do better, he deserved his day in court to give his full version of events and he got it, the law was followed and he won.

No no he should have every right in the world to talk about it and put his story into the public domain. He just shouldn't have been able to sue over it. As she also had every right to talk about it. It's not rocket science is it?

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think you're right that there was no way he was going to let her go but the specifics of him suddenly deciding that a defamation case is the way to do that, and right now, is too much of a coincidence for me personally. Yes I think he's probably been trying to think of ways to return to court - but I think the Depp trial has probably served as kindling for the method. And that's what I'm talking about above, really. It's not that it's going to be prompting random men who were just going about their day into suddenly starting legal proceedings. It's just shone a light on a "possible path" to doing so.

"Hmmmm how can I get this back in court... how can I get this back in court... how can I still win this... hmmmmm"

*Depp vs Heard, Depp wins, everyone collectively cums their Jack Sparrow boxers*

"AHA! Defamation!!"

It sets precedent - not legal precedent as obviously precedent for libel already exists - but precedent in the immediate mindset of the public.

Didnt even know who jack sparrow was until you have started going on about it.

You love to believe that those who don't believe her are massive jack sparrow/Johnny Depp fans and it's just not true. Some are, of course but it has attracted such a big audience that to suggest it's because he's this world godly loved character is the reason he's getting most of the support is just not true imo

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s all they have, in their minds anybody that doesn’t automatically believe all women or don’t blindly support women in every instance ever, belongs to some online, woman hating cesspit, it’s laughable and completely demonstrates why the more extreme side of the feminist movement is often laughed at and not taken seriously

Not "anybody" Liam, just you. When you start posting MRA stuff like "still Johnny’s fault though right? Cause **** men "

Although to be fair ThomasC has you well and truly trumped with;

If women want equality then they should expect to be treated the same as men or have equal opportunities to them.... This doesn't happen in reality. Women's rights are pushed so far down our throats that men are often overlooked

If you want me to stop talking about MRA's, you'll need to stop spouting this sad, toxic butthurt MRA claptrap. Until then I will continue to call it what it is.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No no he should have every right in the world to talk about it and put his story into the public domain. He just shouldn't have been able to sue over it. As she also had every right to talk about it. It's not rocket science is it?

It's not rocket science either that if you defame someone you can also be sued

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

to suggest it's because he's this world godly loved character is the reason he's getting most of the support is just not true imo

Of course it's at the very least partically true, another huge section of his support is the "Finally a spotlight has been shone on life's real victims; men " MRA crowd but I'm not allowed to talk about that .

You'll soon see this of course when Jamie Spears gets basically no public support because he isn't the cool sexy option. He'll still get plenty of that Men's Rights support though.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

It's not rocket science either that if you defame someone you can also be sued

No that’s not how it works! Women are allowed to say whatever they want about men and face no consequences for it, even if they’re lying through their teeth and any attempt at consequences is sexist!

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not "anybody" Liam, just you. When you start posting MRA stuff like "still Johnny’s fault though right? Cause **** men "

Although to be fair ThomasC has you well and truly trumped with;



If you want me to stop talking about MRA's, you'll need to stop spouting this sad, toxic butthurt MRA claptrap. Until then I will continue to call it what it is.

Bull****. You're the one who has a massive thing about MRA and it being crap. Why are 77% of suicides men? Child custody rights, domestic violence, more higher risk jobs, more likely to be homeless, expected to fight for country, FGM and male corcumsticion, etc etc.

You keep calling it what YOU THINK it is.

If there is to be true equality then both men's and women's right need to be discussed.... Yet whenever someone comes up with something which favoures the man or on support off you scream MRA and try make out it doesn't exist and that it's crap.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course it's at the very least partically true, another huge section of his support is the "Finally a spotlight has been shone on life's real victims; men " MRA crowd but I'm not allowed to talk about that .

You'll soon see this of course when Jamie Spears gets basically no public support because he isn't the cool sexy option. He'll still get plenty of that Men's Rights support though.

I don't agree with that quote, but what I do agree with and think is right is that it opens the discussion to a very real problem. Men get abused too, not just women. Not allowed to talk about it? You mention it at any opportunity you can Hun.

Well if Jamie spears does sue then it will be down to a judge/jury.

[Liam-]

I love and respect women wholeheartedly, what I don’t love and respect is people who use their gender as a shield from accountability which is precisely what Amber Heard is doing, trying to make the conversation about a bigger issue, when it is purely about her own actions, to me, is a clear example of weaponising her gender, which should be indefensible, but clearly not for the radfems

[user104658]

I've a few reddit forums you guys might be interested in? Maybe a Jordan Peterson TikTok or three?

[ThomasC]

As an example, all about women's personal spaces with trans using toilets.

Where's the discussion here on whether men feel comfortable with trans entering male toilets? Where's the media discussion?

There hasn't been one.

Equality has become so one sided and it's actually offensive to then say that men's activism or someone who also wants equality for men as well as women is just crap.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I love and respect women wholeheartedly

You do not

not for the radfems

Exhibit A. You like women who behave how you want them to behave. You hold those who don't in clear disregard, and sometimes contempt. This is clear in the Trans Rights threads, and it's clear in this one.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've a few reddit forums you guys might be interested in? Maybe a Jordan Peterson TikTok or three?

Don't even use TikTok. Rarely use Facebook or Twitter and not one to watch love island either.

I'll let you continue to use Reddit as you obviously quite like it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

As an example, all about women's personal spaces with trans using toilets.

Where's the discussion here on whether men feel comfortable with trans entering male toilets? Where's the media discussion?

There hasn't been one.

Equality has become so one sided and it's actually offensive to then say that men's activism or someone who also wants equality for men as well as women is just crap.

A trans man entering a men's toilets is at FAR more risk than any of the men in that toilet.

The situation is not equal. You're pushing an argument that is practical nonsense.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I love and respect women wholeheartedly, what I don’t love and respect is people who use their gender as a shield from accountability which is precisely what Amber Heard is doing, trying to make the conversation about a bigger issue, when it is purely about her own actions, to me, is a clear example of weaponising her gender, which should be indefensible, but clearly not for the radfems

Good job that very few believe her really. Not all common sense is lost

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Don't even use TikTok. Rarely use Facebook or Twitter and not one to watch love island either.

I'll let you continue to use Reddit as you obviously quite like it

I didn't say you use it, I said you might like me to direct you to some of the Jordan Peterson whining on there because a lot of what you're saying is straight out of his "Waaaaah but men work in sewers and fight wars!" playbook.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Good job that very few believe her really. Not all common sense is lost

The only people who believe her at this point either didn’t watch the trial, or those that did watch the trial and just refuse to believe that a man can be telling the truth about a woman wronging him in the way that she did and will always believe women no matter the evidence, facts or reason, just because, no two ways about it in my eyes

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A trans man entering a men's toilets is at FAR more risk than any of the men in that toilet.

The situation is not equal. You're pushing an argument that is practical nonsense.

I'm not pushing it, I just used it as an example, maybe not the best one. ...but you've missed my point on whether other men would feel comfortable with it which forms a basis over the big discussion that women have an issue with in trans using their spaces


Another example would be custodial rights which is way more favoured towards the woman.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't say you use it, I said you might like me to direct you to some of the Jordan Peterson whining on there because a lot of what you're saying is straight out of his "Waaaaah but men work in sewers and fight wars!" playbook.

Don't even know who Jordan Peterson is