[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I'd stick to expressing your own opinions slim

Let's face it

They are the ones you love the mostest after all

Lol

Weird reply, but ok. You could have just not bothered replying to the original question rather than trying to be a dick about it. Enjoy your evening.

[Swan]

Im usually quite open minded when it comes to anything really, not this though. Even Guns, i can, at times see the argument. But this is something i will always be 100% against.

Abortion should be a basic woman's right, the US truly is disgusting at times. It's getting worse too.

Im gonna get passionate, and personal here. When i 16 my girlfriend became pregnant (also 16). She wasn't ready, i wasn't ready, our home lives were a mess, she was about to go into sixth form. I had just started a really good job, well paid for a 16 year old. We were not ready for a child, it wouldn't of been fair on the child. We stayed up all night and day discussing it, and came to the right conclusion in the end. My girlfriend went on to get an abortion. I have no regrets. I felt guilty at the time, but looking back it was completely the right thing to do.

Judge me all you like. I don't care. It's a woman's body, it's HER choice. It's NOT 'murder' either.

A very, very sad, dark day for the US.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Weird reply, but ok. You could have just not bothered replying to the original question rather than trying to be a dick about it. Enjoy your evening.

Truth, it's a bitch

[Niamh.]

Absolutely disgusting decision. The states is falling to pieces

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its their democratic system in operation and as such in every state they have the power to change it if that is the will of the people.

Not really. The way US. “Democracy” works means that the majority will of the people doesn’t necessarily reflect in election results.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not really. The way US. “Democracy” works means that the majority will of the people doesn’t necessarily reflect in election results.

" The way US democracy works"

Yes, it does

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

" The way US democracy works"

Yes, it does

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One vote

One human

If you have something better..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

One vote

One human

If you have something better..

But that’s specifically NOT how the US system works LT. You’re describing a pure democracy. The US is not a pure democracy. Some people’s votes are worth over 10x others… that’s what I was talking about

[arista]

Originally Posted by Swan

Im usually quite open minded when it comes to anything really, not this though. Even Guns, i can, at times see the argument. But this is something i will always be 100% against.

Abortion should be a basic woman's right, the US truly is disgusting at times. It's getting worse too.

Im gonna get passionate, and personal here. When i 16 my girlfriend became pregnant (also 16). She wasn't ready, i wasn't ready, our home lives were a mess, she was about to go into sixth form. I had just started a really good job, well paid for a 16 year old. We were not ready for a child, it wouldn't of been fair on the child. We stayed up all night and day discussing it, and came to the right conclusion in the end. My girlfriend went on to get an abortion. I have no regrets. I felt guilty at the time, but looking back it was completely the right thing to do.

Judge me all you like. I don't care. It's a woman's body, it's HER choice. It's NOT 'murder' either.

A very, very sad, dark day for the US.

No,
that's fair of you to share.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Swan

Im usually quite open minded when it comes to anything really, not this though. Even Guns, i can, at times see the argument. But this is something i will always be 100% against.

Abortion should be a basic woman's right, the US truly is disgusting at times. It's getting worse too.

Im gonna get passionate, and personal here. When i 16 my girlfriend became pregnant (also 16). She wasn't ready, i wasn't ready, our home lives were a mess, she was about to go into sixth form. I had just started a really good job, well paid for a 16 year old. We were not ready for a child, it wouldn't of been fair on the child. We stayed up all night and day discussing it, and came to the right conclusion in the end. My girlfriend went on to get an abortion. I have no regrets. I felt guilty at the time, but looking back it was completely the right thing to do.

Judge me all you like. I don't care. It's a woman's body, it's HER choice. It's NOT 'murder' either.

A very, very sad, dark day for the US.

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons.

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons.

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).

Great post Annie

[bots]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons.

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).

yes, i think ultimately, if a sizeable group are no longer able to make their own choices on how they live their lives, then that country no longer has a free society. They have criminalised women's behaviour, not men's and that is a shocking backward step for a country that is supposed to be the leader of the free world

[Cherie]

The idea that women should be forced to stay pregnant to fulfil the wishes of a childless couple is very Gileadesque

The blunt truth is most childless couples want the child to have at least one of the parents genes and science can provide that today

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The idea that women should be forced to stay pregnant to fulfil the wishes of a childless couple is very Gileadesque

The blunt truth is most childless couples want the child to have at least one the parents genes and science can provide that today

especially victims of rape


imagine if that baby when born also ending up to look like the person who raped you


USA really going to new lows by the day it seems

[user104658]

Believe it or not it gets even worse as it opens up the possibility that terminations will be illegal even when the pregnant woman’s health is at serious risk or even when there’s a significant risk of death. In practice some of these states will probably implement laws where medical terminations are allowed when the mothers life is at risk - but not all of them - and even in the ones that do it’ll be down to doctors to decide what’s “acceptable risk” with the choice taken completely out of the woman’s hands. It’s a completely horrific situation.

There’s plenty of philosophical debate to be had around being “pro” or “anti” abortion but that’s completely separate to the legalities of it. People who are anti-abortion should focus on contraception campaigns and education so that fewer people are in the terrible position of having to make that choice in the first place - not try to remove the choice. Or in terms of adoption, focus on setting up clearer, simpler routes to adoption and again education campaigns that might make people more inclined to CHOOSE that for themselves.

And here’s an absolutely wild suggestion; how about having a society that has the social and financial support systems in place for potential mothers to feel like they could have and raise a baby without having to worry about how they’ll both survive and thrive. It’s an absolute fact that there would be far fewer abortions if people were confident that they would be supported; financially, with good quality childcare, with access to education (again both in financial terms and with access to good quality childcare support).

But nah no one has time for any of that, just ban it and everyone else can figure out the rest.

[bots]

the real problem is you have the likes of Biden saying they will make every effort to overturn it, when everyone knows he is anti abortion himself. It's playing politics at the ultimate level of deception

[The Slim Reaper]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the real problem is you have the likes of Biden saying they will make every effort to overturn it, when everyone knows he is anti abortion himself. It's playing politics at the ultimate level of deception

I think the elephant hiding in the shadows in the corner is that, like a lot of large political moments in recent memory, this seems practically designed to further stoke the culture wars and associated divisions.

I believe there’s a sound ire of Trump floating around where he states that “if Roe vs Wade was to be overturned” (so made prior to it happening) it would ultimately be a massive net negative for the Republicans in the US. Basically he thinks it’ll flip a lot of swing voters to Blue.

If this analysis is right, then the democrats actually stand to benefit from this, so long as they keep making the right noises.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the real problem is you have the likes of Biden saying they will make every effort to overturn it, when everyone knows he is anti abortion himself. It's playing politics at the ultimate level of deception

He is useless, but he's also said his religious views have no right to infringe upon the rights of others.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think the elephant hiding in the shadows in the corner is that, like a lot of large political moments in recent memory, this seems practically designed to further stoke the culture wars and associated divisions.

I believe there’s a sound ire of Trump floating around where he states that “if Roe vs Wade was to be overturned” (so made prior to it happening) it would ultimately be a massive net negative for the Republicans in the US. Basically he thinks it’ll flip a lot of swing voters to Blue.

If this analysis is right, then the democrats actually stand to benefit from this, so long as they keep making the right noises.

i think its irrelevant to be honest. Those that are pro abortion in the republican states already vote democrat and they are swamped by the bible waving nutters

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He is useless, but he's also said his religious views have no right to infringe upon the rights of others.

Well quite, a person can be against abortion (morally) whilst still being pro-choice (in terms of legality) but unfortunately most people will struggle to grasp that nuance… and when they see it in others it’ll be branded hypocrisy.

[bots]

we always find it a big plus when politicians have the courage to stand by their convictions. There is a good reason that Corbyn bombed. He didn't have that courage and demonstrated it on multiple occasions and that's why he ultimately failed miserably

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think its irrelevant to be honest. Those that are pro abortion in the republican states already vote democrat and they are swamped by the bible waving nutters

Not necessarily, simple fact is that the thing that drives most “moderate” voters in red states is tax/money. Complacency in believing that all republican voters are bible-thumping extremists is a large part of what lost Hillary the election in 2016; Trump made an appeal to the “hard working American” and it resonated. There are Red voters who vote Red for their wallets who can be tipped the other way if things start to look “too extreme”… worth remembering that a lot of republican voters also consider themselves to be libertarian especially in terms of the self/property and whilst that means they won’t have liked Wade vs Roe in the first place (federal law dictating state law) … many also won’t be a fan of overly restrictive state law.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons.

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).

That really is a lovely, great post. The guilt was there for a long time, but absolutely no regrets. My gf at the time is now married and has 2 children of her own (our relationship was a rocky one, great at times, very bad at others, no environment for a child, when we were still children ourselves) and im happy for her.

Also, im so glad you were successful

I think at times, had we had the baby, what would our lives be now, what would the child's life be now? If im honest, probably not great all round. It wouldn't have been fair on the baby, it's that simple. The right decision was made.

We also did the right thing (not right for all) imo, not to tell our families, although my gf did tell her older sister, she was very helpful. Had we told our families it might have made things more tricky.

Back to topic though. As i said in a previous post. Im 100% against this ruling. Nothing will ever change my mind and i think the US is a pretty disgusting county on the whole.