[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Not all drag queens are crude and perform sexualised routines, just because some queens are unable to do anything else, doesn’t mean there are no drag queens out there willing or able make themselves family friendly, as long as when they’re taking part in these schemes, they dont do anything that can be construed as adult or inappropriate, I literally see no reason why it would bother anybody, other than the fact it’s more than likely a gay man, which again, is what this entire issue is about, these people don’t seem to mind men dressed like women yelling crude jokes in front of children when it comes to pantomime, it’s an issue now because it hurts their bigoted brains

Plenty of gay teachers out there, not an issue for most (there will always be extremists, in every walk of life, i wont dispute that). It's the over sexualization of some drag queens people are opposed to. Half the time some people will use any excuse to hate, and sometimes use any excuse to claim homophobia.

I see drag queens as entertainment, sometimes for kids, mostly for adults. A school is a place for learning, drag queens are entertainment characters. If we really wanna educate kids on gay issues, approach it seriously. Seeing a guy dressed as a woman helps who (as far as kids education is concerned)?

Im not all up arms about this, but the question is fair to ask, what is the goal? What is the point?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Unknown men dressing up in costumes that are knowingly going to attract the attention of children? Sounds dodgy

Imagine if these protestors discovered Disneyland

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

Plenty of gay teachers out there, not an issue for most (there will always be extremists, in every walk of life, i wont dispute that). It's the over sexualization of some drag queens people are opposed to. Half the time some people will use any excuse to hate, and sometimes use any excuse to claim homophobia.

I see drag queens as entertainment, sometimes for kids, mostly for adults. A school is a place for learning, drag queens are entertainment characters. If we really wanna educate kids on gay issues, approach it seriously. Seeing a guy dressed as a woman helps who (as far as kids education is concerned)?

Im not all up arms about this, but the question is fair to ask, what is the goal? What is the point?

Why does there have to be a goal or a point? Why can’t people just accept people from different walks of like being asked to do mundane things other people are asked to do?

Why does it affect someone’s life if parents are comfortable with their kids being read a story by a drag queen? It’s literally not that serious, but people are using it as a device to further their bigotry and people like you are being swept up along with it to further their cause, it’s a complete non issue.

Singer and actors are entertainers too, but they’ve been allowed to do things like this for god knows how long, they have an entire part on a kids channel dedicated to celebrities reading bedtime stories, why are drag queens treated differently? Because gay men are seen as dirty and sexualised, by the people against this, that’s why.

Just imagine how many dangerous people have been allowed in to do this exact same thing, without realising that they’re dangerous people, yet drag queens are the ones people are upset about and want banned from doing it, ask yourself why

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why does there have to be a goal or a point? Why can’t people just accept people from different walks of like being asked to do mundane things other people are asked to do?

Why does it affect someone’s life if parents are comfortable with their kids being read a story by a drag queen? It’s literally not that serious, but people are using it as a device to further their bigotry and people like you are being swept up along with it to further their cause, it’s a complete non issue.

Just imagine how many dangerous people have been allowed in to do this exact same thing, without realising that they’re dangerous people, yet drag queens are the ones people are upset about and want banned from doing it, ask yourself why

It's not that there a different walks of life, that's pretty much accepted by 90% of people. It's the sexualization from some drag queens. Which you wont address. Im not being swept along with it at all, im as open minded as they come. There are wrongs and rights in everything.

I don't see a problem with drag queens reading stories to kids at all. But i do have a problem with young children being exposed to sex and sexuality so soon in life. I would so 13 and upwards is when a child starts to discover who they really are. Puberty.

People like you are swept along with this idea that everyone who questions certain things are to further their hidden hate for those different to them. It's just simply not the case. Sure, people do mask their bigotry in many ways, but don't put everyone under the same umbrella. Parents have every right to ask the question. Just as they have every right to allow/take their kids to whatever they like.

Never any middle ground, ever.

[Liam-]

I’ve already talked about the sexualised drag queens and said that yes, while a lot of drag artists do fall into that category, there are plenty of queens who are capable of being family friendly and not go out slut dropping and whipping their breast plates out in front of children at story time, if you’re gonna try and have a discussion, actually comprehend what people are saying, it always works a treat

I also didn’t say that everyone that questions this is a bigot, I said bigots are driving this narrative, but unfortunately along with that comes the genuine people who see the extreme headlines and examples that speak to their worst fears as parents and they unknowingly get swept up into the bigoted narrative and then they’re used as a shield to try and hide the blatantly bigoted route of of the movement, it’s the exact same thing happening with the war on trans people, it’s just a massive shame that so many people get caught up in it and allow themselves be used as weapons in an argument like this, they otherwise probably wouldn’t be involved in because it really is not that dramatic or important

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Think what you want
I don't believe he ever was a paedo, and wrong actually .. plenty hated him . He was one of the most criticised & mocked. Even after he died , people can't stop obsessing over him .

If it wasn't his face & skin condition ,then it was the child abuse allegations that people kept slating him for.

I kinda think / wanna think that he was a little misunderstood as he had no childhood to speak of .. but there were some ‘worrying’ parts about his life in and around his home

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[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Swan

It's not that there a different walks of life, that's pretty much accepted by 90% of people. It's the sexualization from some drag queens. Which you wont address. Im not being swept along with it at all, im as open minded as they come. There are wrongs and rights in everything.

I don't see a problem with drag queens reading stories to kids at all. But i do have a problem with young children being exposed to sex and sexuality so soon in life. I would so 13 and upwards is when a child starts to discover who they really are. Puberty.

People like you are swept along with this idea that everyone who questions certain things are to further their hidden hate for those different to them. It's just simply not the case. Sure, people do mask their bigotry in many ways, but don't put everyone under the same umbrella. Parents have every right to ask the question. Just as they have every right to allow/take their kids to whatever they like.

Never any middle ground, ever.

So you should just settle on that because none of anything else you wrote is happening at kids book readings.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’ve already talked about the sexualised drag queens and said that yes, while a lot of drag artists do fall into that category, there are plenty of queens who are capable of being family friendly and not go out slut dropping and whipping their breast plates out in front of children at story time, if you’re gonna try and have a discussion, actually comprehend what people are saying, it always works a treat

We're not all bigots and homophobes Liam. Extremists are everywhere, no comprehension needed. But like this, and most discussions on said subject, there are plenty of examples of LGBT not being kid friendly. The question should be allowed to be asked by concerned parents. Progression is a way of life, i understand and accept that. And im happy we're creating a climate where any child and person can celebrate who they are, sexuality, gender, whatever. But boundaries are still needed. How we approach that without offending anyone i have no idea.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

So you should just settle on that because none of anything else you wrote is happening at kids book readings.

Well it is, probably in a very minimal amount of readings, like the picture of that guy with his legs wide open showing off his bollocks to infants whilst reaching for a book.

But it's the same old crap, even questioning stuff is seen as wrong?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

We're not all bigots and homophobes Liam. Extremists are everywhere, no comprehension needed. But like this, and most discussions on said subject, there are plenty of examples of LGBT not being kid friendly. The question should be allowed to be asked by concerned parents. Progression is a way of life, i understand and accept that. And im happy we're creating a climate where any child and person can celebrate who they are, sexuality, gender, whatever. But boundaries are still needed. How we approach that without offending anyone i have no idea.

Should probably read the other half of that post pal.

[Swan]

Also, the worry of genuine people about over sexualizing ANYTHING for kids is crucial right now. I know this isn't about the US, but the last thing any level headed person wants is their kids shagging in this day and age, what with the disgusting abortion laws put in place.

Christ i sound like an 80's Tory with this statement but - We really need to protect kids more than ever now.

[Swan]

Also, the worry of genuine people about over sexualizing ANYTHING for kids is crucial right now. I know this isn't about the US, but the last thing any level headed person wants is their kids shagging in this day and age, what with the disgusting abortion laws put in place.

Christ i sound like an 80's Tory with this statement but - We really need to protect kids more than ever now.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well it is, probably in a very minimal amount of readings, like the picture of that guy with his legs wide open showing off his bollocks to infants whilst reaching for a book.

But it's the same old crap, even questioning stuff is seen as wrong?

I saw the tweet with the picture and there are no bollocks in sight, just a man in a skirt that sat down to read and was sufficiently covered up with no nudity, are we gonna call straight men wearing shorts that manspread groomers and inappropriate to be around children? Or are those labels kept purely the gay men?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Should probably read the other half of that post pal.

Yeah i read it Vince, doesn't change what im saying really.

(dunno about anyone else but the forum is being mega slow right now, it's taking forever to post)

[Crimson Dynamo]

His meat and 2 veg have been pixillated out

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yeah i read it Vince, doesn't change what im saying really.

(dunno about anyone else but the forum is being mega slow right now, it's taking forever to post)

It makes what you’re saying completely irrelevant because the concept of family friendly queens has already been explained to you, multiple times, if you can’t separate drags queens and sexualisation that’s a you problem, dragging your misconceptions about a demographic of people into a discussion does everybody involved a disservice

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It makes what you’re saying completely irrelevant because the concept of family friendly queens has already been explained to you, multiple times, if you can’t separate drags queens and sexualisation that’s a you problem, dragging your misconceptions about a demographic of people into a discussion does everybody involved a disservice

You obviously don't understand what im saying. In any case involving even potential sexualization with kids, the question should be allowed to be asked without fear of being labelled a bigot or homophobe.

You're saying that the drag in question is family friendly, and im saying that's fine by me. I was debating the bigger picture.

Maybe we've just reached a dead end with this.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Swan

(dunno about anyone else but the forum is being mega slow right now, it's taking forever to post)

Same .. sooo slow


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[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

You obviously don't understand what im saying. In any case involving even potential sexualization with kids, the question should be allowed to be asked without fear of being labelled a bigot or homophobe.

You're saying that the drag in question is family friendly, and im saying that's fine by me. I was debating the bigger picture.

Maybe we've just reached a dead end with this.

No, I don’t understand what you’re saying, how would a drag queen reading a story, sexualise a child? It’s just a person reading a children’s book to a bunch of children, what could that possibly do to a child?

You’re using the exact arguments bigots use to complain about gay characters on tv or in books, I hope you know that

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Swan

You obviously don't understand what im saying. In any case involving even potential sexualization with kids, the question should be allowed to be asked without fear of being labelled a bigot or homophobe.

You're saying that the drag in question is family friendly, and im saying that's fine by me. I was debating the bigger picture.

Maybe we've just reached a dead end with this.

Unless you agree with him 100% then he'll never understand what you're saying.

If they call you thing's like transphobe, homophobe or any other name simply because you question things and don't submit to their ideology then they're not worth your time. You're free to have your say and don't let anyone think they can bully you out of having your say by them calling you names. Just Mock them back. They hate that.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, I don’t understand what you’re saying, how would a drag queen reading a story, sexualise a child? It’s just a person reading a children’s book to a bunch of children, what could that possibly do to a child?

Because by your own admission, most, not all, drag queens do sexualize themselves during their act. When you read "drag queen reading for infants" you have every right to ask/wonder what that entails. It would be a non story if the headline was "drag queen reading for adults". It's not about buying the headline, it's about finding the ACTUAL story here.

As to your edit. No im not.

[Beso]

The whole point of drag queens is the act.

So if they are being drag queens they are being inappropriate in front of kids.

If they are not being drag queens then we need to find a new name for men dressed as women who read to kids.

[Oliver_W]

If the point is to normalise LGBT people, why not have (otherwise) normal LGBT people read a book? Or read a story about a character with two dads or two mums?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If the point is to normalise LGBT people, why not have (otherwise) normal LGBT people read a book? Or read a story about a character with two dads or two mums?

Or just not bother trying to so anything and just read small children books and leave all that woke bollocks VS to adults?

I mean I am sure LIbrarians have lots of spare time as noone goes to libraries anymore

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Or just not bother trying to so anything and just read small children books and leave all that woke bollocks VS to adults?

Plenty of kids these days have gay parents acknowledging that isn't "woke" or sexualising. And that's the best way to frame gay relationships to children - "two daddies" or "two mommies" is easier to understand than some freak whinging on about "queerness".