[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are not being fair there, sorry.
Plus Rachel Reeves has a long record of wanting farness on welfare.

There is NO way she will make the sick and disabled worse off and not given ALL the help they need.

You just said before Labour had NO policies.
Now you're presenting a distorted view of policy from a statement.

Being tough doesn't mean being cruel as this lot have been.

If you really do think the Cons believe in the NHS after the costly top down reorgsnisation promised to never happen from 2011.
Those reforms STILL causing issues now.
Well sorry, it's not me that's mistaken.

I don't accept I'm setting myself up for a fall.
I'd love another leader than Starmer.
However in the main he has some really caring and more compassionate minded shadow Ministers.
I'm happy to wholly support them.

I accept that your view is coming from a good place, I just don't share it, but I know you're more on the labour right than I am, so I understand why you might be a touch more optimistic.

The problem with this version of labour is that starmer had policies/beliefs he used to get elected, since then he's destroyed the inner mechanics, giving them complete control over the candidates making sure that labour will struggle to ever have any new left wing MP's. He's fought his own party, and abstained on when it came to voting on tory policies. Corbyn left £13m in the accounts despite taking over a pretty broke party. Starmer lost it. Corbyn made labour the party with the largest membership in Europe, Starmer has haemorrhaged hundreds of thousands of members.

He's a smug, self-interested coward, with absolutely no intention of improving society if it doesn't involve keeping the right wing press on his side.

I think believing in the NHS is easy. I'm more interested in what he wants to do about it.

You're completely wrong about RR though, that is one issue I will not see your PoV. She's said too much publicly to not believe her.