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bots · 12-09-2022, 10:09 AM

lets be in no doubt, if the queen had her way we would all still be stuck in the 1950's. She resisted change and progress at every opportunity

Oliver_W · 12-09-2022, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lets be in no doubt, if the queen had her way we would all still be stuck in the 1950's. She resisted change and progress at every opportunity

What kind of thing did she resist?

bots · 12-09-2022, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What kind of thing did she resist?

literally everything. She didn't even champion her own sisters wish to marry a divorced man, telling her that if she went ahead she would be cut off financially and thrown out of the family. She refused to acknowledge that Diana's death had any importance and stopped any form of official recognition until she was told that if she didn't change course the monarchy was over.

The royal family have been unpleasant from my earliest recollections, i don't know how else to put it, she insisted on sticking to protocols born in the 50's or earlier until she was told if she didnt budge she would be out

Oliver_W · 12-09-2022, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

literally everything. She didn't even champion her own sisters wish to marry a divorced man, telling her that if she went ahead she would be cut off financially and thrown out of the family. She refused to acknowledge that Diana's death had any importance and stopped any form of official recognition until she was told that if she didn't change course the monarchy was over.

The royal family have been unpleasant from my earliest recollections, i don't know how else to put it, she insisted on sticking to protocols born in the 50's or earlier until she was told if she didnt budge she would be out

How would one princess being cut off and the death of another not being acknowledged keep us in the 1950s? Would anything she resisted have any material impact on us normies?

MTVN · 12-09-2022, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

literally everything. She didn't even champion her own sisters wish to marry a divorced man, telling her that if she went ahead she would be cut off financially and thrown out of the family. She refused to acknowledge that Diana's death had any importance and stopped any form of official recognition until she was told that if she didn't change course the monarchy was over.

The royal family have been unpleasant from my earliest recollections, i don't know how else to put it, she insisted on sticking to protocols born in the 50's or earlier until she was told if she didnt budge she would be out

Wasn't that because of UK legislation though and something that was out of her hands. It was incredibly difficult for the Queen to change anything amid legislation, protocol, and her advisors.

Its a very difficult balancing act. On the one hand there does need to be an element of modernisation but a monarchy by its very nature is a traditionalist institution and many people would say that the traditions are vital its longevity and stability over so many years

bots · 12-09-2022, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Wasn't that because of UK legislation though and something that was out of her hands. It was incredibly difficult for the Queen to change anything amid legislation, protocol, and her advisors.

Its a very difficult balancing act. On the one hand there does need to be an element of modernisation but a monarchy by its very nature is a traditionalist institution and many people would say that the traditions are vital its longevity and stability over so many years

at that particular time, half the cabinet were divorced and had remarried, including the prime minister of the time, so i dont think its fair to say legislation got in the way

MTVN · 12-09-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

at that particular time, half the cabinet were divorced and had remarried, including the prime minister of the time, so i dont think its fair to say legislation got in the way

They weren't royals though, there was specific legislation covering members of the Royal family. It was one of the hypocritical things about that cabinet, half of them were divorced yet were dead against the Queen's sister marrying a divorcee

MTVN · 12-09-2022, 10:46 AM

My main source is the Crown lol, which might not be strictly accurate but it does go into a lot of detail on the problems with Margaret's attempted marriage

bots · 12-09-2022, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

They weren't royals though, there was specific legislation covering members of the Royal family. It was one of the hypocritical things about that cabinet, half of them were divorced yet were dead against the Queen's sister marrying a divorcee

there was the royal marriages act where anyone under 25 was required to seek the queens approval to marry. The queen refused her sister, she also refused Prince Andrews marriage to Koo Stark and Charles attempt to marry Camilla at the time

Niamh. · 12-09-2022, 10:55 AM

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there was the royal marriages act where anyone under 25 was required to seek the queens approval to marry. The queen refused her sister, she also refused Prince Andrews marriage to Koo Stark and Charles attempt to marry Camilla at the time

Imagine if this had been allowed originally? How different things would have turned out

thesheriff443 · 12-09-2022, 11:30 AM

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I think it's a little bit more complex than blaming one woman for the wrong doings in History, it's what she represents more than her as a person which is the Monarchy and an Empire that did a lot of damage to many countries in the world. You can't be the Queen of Britain for the good stuff but just a little old lady when it comes to the more unsavory parts.

There is nothing complex about it
The facts are people don’t know what they are talking about
The queen represents the country she does rule the country
People vote in governments and it’s those governments that rule this country

Niamh. · 12-09-2022, 11:35 AM

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There is nothing complex about it
The facts are people don’t know what they are talking about
The queen represents the country she does rule the country
People vote in governments and it’s those governments that rule this country

You got that right...

thesheriff443 · 12-09-2022, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

You got that right...

As long as you understand that then it’s all good.

Niamh. · 12-09-2022, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

As long as you understand that then it’s all good.

Crimson Dynamo · 12-09-2022, 11:50 AM

The British Empre did many good things miles ahead of others

Like abolish Slavery in 1807

Or stopping the practice of Suttee in India

2 name but 2

thesheriff443 · 12-09-2022, 12:30 PM

If you look at the crowds that will be out to show their respect on the day of her funeral, you will see people from all walks of life and ethnicity come together.

Oliver_W · 12-09-2022, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If you look at the crowds that will be out to show their respect on the day of her funeral, you will see people from all walks of life and ethnicity come together.

Because most people aren't psychopaths who delight in the deaths of others.