[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No way, not making excuses for anyone at all.
That's highly unfair of you.

Wes Streeting shouldn't have responded but did so.

I just doubt anyone however would expect Wes who always criticised Corbyn all through his leadership to say anything helpful or even pleasant about him.

My point is with the person who oversees the debates and parliamentary procedure.
Namely this Speaker.

Corbyn is not a Labour MP at present, he sits as an Independent and hasnt the Labour whip.
So WHY this Speaker knowing the Labour front bench attitude to Corbyn then asked the Labour front bench what was he on about.
That's what's out of order and my point.

I can throw your comment back at you however.
As you are a supporter strongly of Corbyn and also holding a strong negative to Streeting.
I'd be saying the same had the Speaker talking directly to Wes had he then asked Corbyn what was he saying.

The Speaker isn't there to put fuel on anything where he knows personal division may be.
Corbyn was talking to the Speaker, if this Speaker couldn't hear what he was saying he should make it that he COULD and actually out of respect to Corbyn NEVER involved any other MP or indeed MPs from any Party in parliament.

I'm sure all those tories didn't like each other either, and yet they've been classed as bullies. Corbyn has way too much class to have taken the same approach as Wes, as his actual tweet on the matter makes clear.

If a tory had said what wes said, then Starmer would be calling Sunak weak for not sacking him, but because it's Corbyn it's allowed.

The responsibility is not the speakers, it belongs solely to Streeting.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm sure all those tories didn't like each other either, and yet they've been classed as bullies. Corbyn has way too much class to have taken the same approach as Wes, as his actual tweet on the matter makes clear.

If a tory had said what wes said, then Starmer would be calling Sunak weak for not sacking him, but because it's Corbyn it's allowed.

The responsibility is not the speakers, it belongs solely to Streeting.

I'm not taking lectures on Corbyn.
He was never my choice of Leader but I as a member went leafleting and canvassing for Labour under his leadership in 2 elections.
2017 and 2019 just as strongly as I had for Miliband in 2015.

I believe in Party policies not individuals.

I don't know how many times I've to say Wes Streeting was wrong to comment.
He was.
I agree too with bots perhaps Health isn't the department he should have.
Angela Raynor still gets hammered for using scum as a word for the Cons.

Niamh is also absolutely right.
Dementia is NOT an illness to even think of joking about never mind do so.

Wes Streeting will regret it, in part now because it's out there now.
I know Wes, he's always in my view been a decent guy.
However totally wrong here on this.

You can let the Speaker off the hook all you wish.
I repeat however I know of NO Speaker or Deputy Speaker who when engaging with an MP.
Then asks any other MP or MPs from any Party what they've said.

I don't rate this Speaker and haven't since his appointment as arista knows well from my exchanges with him on Hoyle.

If he cannot hear an MP it's his job he makes sure he does hear from them, and ONLY them not asking others what that MP has said.
So he in effect set Corbyn up himself for more ridicule.

As Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans did last week when Corbyn said it was clear, he Corbyn, lived in Sunak's head it seemed.
However Evans ridiculed him and twisted it to say it was likely Sunak would continue to live in Corbyn's head.

The Speakers are there to be impartial and fair.
This current Speaker and the Deputy Evans are far from it in my view.
Sadly Corbyn remains an object of ridicule.
To way too many in parliament.

Having said that, I was not a personal supporter of Corbyn.
Although yes I was a supporter of most of his policies in 2017 and 2019.

I've never ever altered my thinking on those and hope most of them will find their way into new policy making too.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm not taking lectures on Corbyn.
He was never my choice of Leader but I as a member went leafleting and canvassing for Labour under his leadership in 2 elections.
2017 and 2019 just as strongly as I had for Miliband in 2015.

I believe in Party policies not individuals.

I don't know how many times I've to say Wes Streeting was wrong to comment.
He was.
I agree too with bots perhaos Health isn't the department he should have.
Angela Raynor still gets hammered for using scum as a word for the Cons.

Niamh is also absolutely right.
Dementia is NOT an illness to even think of joking about never mind do so.

Wes Streeting will regret it, in part now because outs there now.
I know Wes, he's always in my view been a decent guy.
However totally wrong here on this.

You can let the Speaker off the hook all you wish.
I repeat however I know of NO Speaker or Deputy Speaker who when engaging with an MP.
Then asks any other MP or MPs from any Party what they've said.

I don't rate this Speaker and haven't since his appointment as arista knows well froom my exchanges with him on Hoyle.

If he cannot hear an MP it's his job he makes sure he does hear from them, and ONLY them not asking others what that MP has said.
So he in effect set Corbyn up himself for more ridicule.

As Deputy Speaker did last week when Corbyn said it was clear he Corbyn lived in Sunak's head it seemed.
However Evans ridiculed him and twisted it to say it was likely Sunak would continue to live in Corbyn's head.

The Speakers are there to be impartial and fair.
This current Speaker and the Deputy Evans are far from it in my view.
Sadly Corbyn remains an object of ridicule.
To way too many in parliament.

Having said that, I was not a personal supporter of Corbyn.
Although yes I was a supporter of most of his policies in 2017 and 2019.

I've never ever altered my thinking on those and hope most of them will find their way I to new policy making too.

I know you like Wes, which is why we're having this discussion (it's not personal against you - hope you understand that's not my intention), but Streeting is now and has always been a snidey fcuking weasel. Bragged about not campaigning for labour, and this is a man that you, as a labour activist, shill for.

It's nothing to do with the speaker at all. I don't disagree with what you're saying. Streeting worked against Corbyn, just because he wanted to fund the NHS, end homelessness, and offer a vision that something better is possible. It's painful to see the labour party and it's operatives protect red tories.

There is no way in hell I will vote for labour, and no one on the actual left, not the pretend labourites, should either. Labour is attacking the government from the right, and you shouldn't want any part of that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I know you like Wes, which is why we're having this discussion (it's not personal against you - hope you understand that's not my intention), but Streeting is now and has always been a snidey fcuking weasel. Bragged about not campaigning for labour, and this is a man that you, as a labour activist, shill for.

It's nothing to do with the speaker at all. I don't disagree with what you're saying. Streeting worked against Corbyn, just because he wanted to fund the NHS, end homelessness, and offer a vision that something better is possible. It's painful to see the labour party and it's operatives protect red tories.

There is no way in hell I will vote for labour, and no one on the actual left, not the pretend labourites, should either. Labour is attacking the government from the right, and you shouldn't want any part of that.

Please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't want a part of.

I do like Streeting but don't suppport him saying this.

I don't really like Corbyn but defended him on here when he was being hammered for antisemitism.
For which I and anyone supporting Labour were called ' terrorist supporting red nazis'.

It's also definitely is something to do with this Speaker.
If an MP is talking to the Speaker.
The Speaker should NEVER bring in another MP or MPs or ask any others what that MP was saying.
This Speaker is hopeless.
Even worse at PMQs.

You must decide yourself if you want to risk this heartless Con party to be in government again .
That's nothing to do with me.

I know my choice and will do what I WANT not what anyone tells me I should.
I'm not going to risk more years under this extremely heartless lot.
There's only one party in this antiquated unrepresentative election system which can best the Cons.

Good luck to you wherever your vote goes.
My vote will never be used to help this heartless lot remain in power.
Not a chance.
Even if Mickey Mouse was leading Labour that's where my support is.
Because I want to see just a bit even of more compassion and fairnes return to governing.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't want a part of.

I do like Streeting but don't suppport him saying this.

I don't really like Corbyn but defended him on here when he was being hammered for antisemitism.
For which I and anyone supporting Labour were called ' terrorist supporting red nazis'.

It's also definitely is something to do with this Speaker.
If an MP is talking to the Speaker.
The Speaker should NEVER bring in another MP or MPs or ask any others what that MP was saying.
This Speaker is hopeless.
Even worse at PMQs.

You must decide yourself if you want to risk this heartless Con party to be in government again .
That's nothing to do with me.

I know my choice and will do what I WANT not what anyone tells me I should.
I'm not going to risk more years under this extremely heartless lot.
There's only one party in this antiquated unrepresentative election system which can best the Cons.

Good luck to you wherever your vote goes.
My vote will never be used to help this heartless lot remain in power.
Not a chance.
Even if Mickey Mouse was leading Labour that's where my support is.
Because I want to see just a bit even of more compassion and fairnes return to governing.

I don't vote for right wing parties, Joey. However you want to spin it, labour is a right wing party. If you think swapping one for the other will be of any benefit to the people that actually need a labour government the most, then that is also on your conscience, just as it is on mine. I don't see it as a risk at all, because a party criticising Braverman for not deporting enough foreigners, saying they will be tougher on benefit claimants than the tories, shouting that there are too many foreigners working in the NHS (after the way they died for us during the pandemic), and telling climate protestors to fcuk off, is not a party that will do anything to improve society, and that is all I care about - not party loyalties.

You think the tories are heartless and yet support an anti democratic labour that is fixing it's own elections, and attacking anyone even remotely progressive to pander to tory voters. That's not a party aiming to be better than what we already have. I am not welcome within the labour party, and I'm fed up of being treated like scum by a party founded by people that shared my politics, not streetings or starmers (who has an equally fraught relationship with the truth as Johnson). Labour could well find themselves struggling because of the way they treat the left. Making a tory who called the labour party *****, the labour whip, shows exactly who or what this labour party is all about.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't vote for right wing parties, Joey. However you want to spin it, labour is a right wing party. If you think swapping one for the other will be of any benefit to the people that actually need a labour government the most, then that is also on your conscience, just as it is on mine. I don't see it as a risk at all, because a party criticising Braverman for not deporting enough foreigners, saying they will be tougher on benefit claimants than the tories, shouting that there are too many foreigners working in the NHS (after the way they died for us during the pandemic), and telling climate protestors to fcuk off, is not a party that will do anything to improve society, and that is all I care about - not party loyalties.

You think the tories are heartless and yet support an anti democratic labour that is fixing it's own elections, and attacking anyone even remotely progressive to pander to tory voters. That's not a party aiming to be better than what we already have. I am not welcome within the labour party, and I'm fed up of being treated like scum by a party founded by people that shared my politics, not streetings or starmers (who has an equally fraught relationship with the truth as Johnson). Labour could well find themselves struggling because of the way they treat the left. Making a tory who called the labour party *****, the labour whip, shows exactly who or what this labour party is all about.

Sorry to say but I disagree with really all that.
Absolutely.

Still there it is.

I'll have nothing on my conscience if Labour do win.
I'll be far more content.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sorry to say but I disagree with really all that.
Absolutely.

Still there it is.

I'll have nothing on my conscience if Labour do win.
I'll be far more content.

No problem with disagreement at all, Joey, but can you point to any factual errors in the post you disagree with?