[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

equating everything to big Willie being the heir when it was more about him being 3 years older and something that happens in most normal families...

I think that's interesting and probably true, but hard to figure out which is which for someone in that very unique situation.

Also very true about more freedom for younger sibling - I have an older sister (so gender comes into it too) but my parents always wanted to know who she was with/that she was safe. From about age 15 they didn't give stuff where I was . In my later teens I used to just bunk down on friend's floors after nights out and didn't even tell them where I was. I coulda been dead in a ditch .

[bots]

as the younger brother, i got hand me downs as a kid, not often, but it still happened, and it annoyed the crap out of me

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I think that's interesting and probably true, but hard to figure out which is which for someone in that very unique situation.

Also very true about more freedom for younger sibling - I have an older sister (so gender comes into it too) but my parents always wanted to know who she was with/that she was safe. From about age 15 they didn't give stuff where I was . In my later teens I used to just bunk down on friend's floors after nights out and didn't even tell them where I was. I coulda been dead in a ditch .

And where's your pitifilly entitled whinging book??!! Slacker.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And where's your pitifilly entitled whinging book??!! Slacker.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

2013 Happy Days


Conserv/LibDem Power.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

On the "Where's Meghan" stuff:

Doesn't it just highlight the deluded mindset of the obsessive Meghan Markle haters / "evil woman" narrative spinners... That they simply cannot fathom why she's not very public at the moment, and that it must be for some nefarious reason, not just the obvious reason - that it's Harry's book, Harry's story and Harry's fight with his family and always was. I know this doesn't fit the preferred fantasy of many people who are desperate to blame all of Harry's actions on his wife.

Not entirely, he has to take responsibility for what he does, but the opinion of many (including myself) is that to a large extent her influence is behind, in Harry’s words, “not the prince I was born but the man I have become" - and we know what sort of man he has become, don’t we?
The little crew who calls anyone whose opinion differs from theirs “deluded” “obsessive” “haters” will be delighted to see you joining their ranks.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Not entirely, he has to take responsibility for what he does, but the opinion of many (including myself) is that to a large extent her influence is behind, in Harry’s words, “not the prince I was born but the man I have become" - and we know what sort of man he has become, don’t we?
The little crew who calls anyone whose opinion differs from theirs “deluded” “obsessive” “haters” will be delighted to see you joining their ranks.

I only call differences of opinion deluded, obsessive and hateful when they're deluded, obsessive and hateful . There are plenty of very valid criticisms of Harry and Meghan and reasons not to personally like them and many people share those views well, reasonably, and proportionately.

And then... well... there's another group isn't there

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I only call differences of opinion deluded, obsessive and hateful when they're deluded, obsessive and hateful . There are plenty of very valid criticisms of Harry and Meghan and reasons not to personally like them and many people share those views well, reasonably, and proportionately.

And then... well... there's another group isn't there

Is there? Where? Could you give examples (per your opinion) of these deluded, obsessive and hateful posts?

[jet]

This is a very good example of Hateful:

Prince Harry. SPARE

"Unlike other matrons, Pat wasn't hot. Pat was cold. Pat was small, mousy, frazzled and her hair fell greasily into her always tired eyes. Pat didn't seem to get much joy out of life." Pat had many crosses to bear. "The biggest being her knees and spine. The latter was crooked, the former chronically stiff. Walking was hard, stairs were torture. She'd descend backwards, glacially. Often we'd stand on the landing below her, doing antic dances, making faces. Do I need to say who did this with the most enthusiasm?"

Yeah, you did, and you seem proud of it, you nasty, cruel little man…and instead of being ashamed, you put it in your book, not caring if she or her family could see it.

[user104658]

That's not hateful, it is quite thoughtless and inconsiderate to put it in the book assuming there was no prior knowledge but it's not hateful. He actually goes on to say that he enjoyed trying to make her smile or laugh because she didn't laugh often.

To say it's hateful that he did it at the time is laughable - he's talking about being a 12/13 year old boy. Lord help us all if the plan is to start judging us on things we did or said when we were 12 .

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most of us can equate to a feeling a sibling is getting special treatment at times the problem is Haz is equating everything to big Willie being the heir when it was more about him being 3 years older and something that happens in most normal families...bigger bedroom...bigger portions ...it flips around though and the younger sibling gets more freedom as the old one has done the road testing

I really think Harry, Harold , Haz is stuck at age 12. all these silly things that still bother him most people grow out of, way before age 40.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

That's not hateful, it is quite thoughtless and inconsiderate to put it in the book assuming there was no prior knowledge but it's not hateful. He actually goes on to say that he enjoyed trying to make her smile or laugh because she didn't laugh often.

To say it's hateful that he did it at the time is laughable - he's talking about being a 12/13 year old boy. Lord help us all if the plan is to start judging us on things we did or said when we were 12 .

Perhaps then as a grown man he should have thought twice about putting those hurtful things about a clearly crippled lady out of his book….

[user104658]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

I really think Harry, Harold , Haz is stuck at age 12. all these silly things that still bother him most people grow out of, way before age 40.

I think despite his best efforts he still has significant trauma from when his mother died, certainly. I don't think he's "stuck at 12" but let's play devil's advocate and say you're right and he is indeed a perpetual 12 year old.

Who do you think is ultimately the cause of that?

Because I don't think you're entirely wrong and I think William beneath a wafer-thin veneer is also much more hot-headed and volatile than an adult should ideally be. They both still display some "petulant teen" tendencies AND their relationship as brothers is not that of adult men, but teenage boys.

That can ONLY be down to how they were raised after Diana died.

I.e. A lack of real parenting. Raised by "the institution" and their schools.

Charles and all of his generation are the same.

Harry has at least tried to break away from it and forge a new path... Unfortunately the therapy he's sought out is the Americanised/Hollywood celeb brand of self-improvement that's far from ideal and he'd have been better served by some real philosophy and exploration rather than Los Angeles pop stuff but... It's better than nothing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Perhaps then as a grown man he should have thought twice about putting those hurtful things about a clearly crippled lady out of his book….

Perhaps as a grown woman you shouldn't use the word "crippled" to describe someone with physical disabilities but I guess none of us is perfect?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by jet

Is there? Where? Could you give examples (per your opinion) of these deluded, obsessive and hateful posts?

Yes I too want to see examples

[bots]

i don't think Harry is child like at all, i think he feels genuinely aggrieved, he just lacks basic intelligence and is egged on/encouraged by an ambitious wife. William is just the product of a privileged public school environment

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

That's not hateful, it is quite thoughtless and inconsiderate to put it in the book assuming there was no prior knowledge but it's not hateful. He actually goes on to say that he enjoyed trying to make her smile or laugh because she didn't laugh often.

To say it's hateful that he did it at the time is laughable - he's talking about being a 12/13 year old boy. Lord help us all if the plan is to start judging us on things we did or said when we were 12 .

"Quite thoughless". Dear God.....unbelievable. I'm not judging him as a 12 yr old boy, I'm judging him NOW. He said did it to make her laugh...if the poor lady laughed it was as a defense mechanism, nothing will convince me she enjoyed being mocked in her pain and disability - and to describe her appearance in the book in that way is just beyond cruel.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Perhaps as a grown woman you shouldn't use the word "crippled" to describe someone with physical disabilities but I guess none of us is perfect?

He ridiculed her disabilities…described them in great detail in the knowledge that she and her family would read it….despicable.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Perhaps then as a grown man he should have thought twice about putting those hurtful things about a clearly crippled lady out of his book….

Has there been any indication he's been thinking more than once?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He ridiculed her disabilities…described them in great detail in the knowledge that she and her family would read it….despicable.

It’s about attacking the member instead of defending harry or Meghan it’s all they have because deep down they know they are wrong

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Because I don't think you're entirely wrong and I think William beneath a wafer-thin veneer is also much more hot-headed and volatile than an adult should ideally be. They both still display some "petulant teen" tendencies AND their relationship as brothers is not that of adult men, but teenage boys.

That can ONLY be down to how they were raised after Diana died.

No.
‘Early childhood, which spans the period up to 8 years of age, is critical for cognitive, social, emotional and physical development’.

Harry was spoiled rotten by Diana, who reportedly used to encourage his rebelliousness, telling him “You can do naughty things, just don’t get caught.
Harry was protected from the problems of his parents, by them and by Willliam, who Diana confided in about all her problems because 'he was so mature'!

At the time of Mexit, William said:

‘I’ve put my arm around my brother all our lives, I can’t do it anymore,’ -
https://www.marieclaire.co.uk/news/p...y-quote-681486

You talk about William’s ‘temper’, but the only indication of that is when he was at his wits end with worry with Harry, who refused to listen to him. There is no indication that William is like a 'petulant teen', no matter how you try to paint him as on a par with Harry's awful behaviour. William has shown nothing but responsibilty in his role, and great restraint and dignity in the face of the treachery and disloyalty from Harry.
You are full of excuses for Harry (and Meghan) but assume things about other Royals to divert from their awful behaviour. You really aren't doing yourself any favours, as sheriff once observed, correctly.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Has there been any indication he's been thinking more than once?

No…that’s true

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He ridiculed her disabilities…described them in great detail in the knowledge that she and her family would read it….despicable.

There's so much irrelevant rubbish in the book by sounds of it , He's either oversharing or moaning . And I don't know why he thinks people want to know in detail about how he made fun of this disabled woman, does he not realise how bad it all sounds !? .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Perhaps as a grown woman you shouldn't use the word "crippled" to describe someone with physical disabilities but I guess none of us is perfect?

A bit harsh soldier boy. And condescending towards women.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's so much irrelevant rubbish in the book by sounds of it , He's either oversharing or moaning . And I don't know why he thinks people want to know in detail about how he made fun of this disabled woman, does he not realise how bad it all sounds !? .

…and who really wants to know about his private parts.
The immaturity of Harry….pulls the punches on his own family but includes snippets of child-like scenarios in his life including the ridicule of a disabled woman at his school like we can all relate to the childish behaviour..all to try and lighten up the cowardly attack on his family in the knowledge they won’t retaliate…