[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Eh? Liverpool built themselves up to where they are, we didn't get there from a stimulus package as we were about to go out of business due to not being able to pay the bills. The 2 clubs are not the same.

Even our recent title was won on a budget.

Point is, you were saying only the other day you didn't care who owned Liverpool as long as they pumped money into the club..

"half times beheadings in the centre circle" (i know you wasn't serious, but you must get my point)

And the game has changed since then, it's more a money business now than ever.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

Point is, you were saying only the other day you didn't care who owned Liverpool as long as they pumped money into the club..

"half times beheadings in the centre circle" (i know you wasn't serious, but you must get my point)

And the game has changed since then, it's more a money business now than ever.

Come on, dude, you used a joke I made, knowing it was a joke. You can tell my serious opinion in the post above. Football is the way it is today because of Roman. Maybe if he didn't buy chelsea, a couple of years later, some other billionaire would have pumped money into a club and then football would have been the way it is because of him, instead. I know we're all protective of our clubs, but you have to be realistic. He was the first, so he gets the blame. It's not a personal vendetta against Chelsea.

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

And you got it only three times out of the seven

Doesn't change the fact you're completely wrong about Chelsea being a team finishing in 10th before Roman.

The "Italian Connection" changed Chelsea's fortunes in the mid to late 90's.

Know your facts before talking utter sh!te and being wrong next time..

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Come on, dude, you used a joke I made, knowing it was a joke. You can tell my serious opinion in the post above. Football is the way it is today because of Roman. Maybe if he didn't buy chelsea, a couple of years later, some other billionaire would have pumped money into a club and then football would have been the way it is because of him, instead. I know we're all protective of our clubs, but you have to be realistic. He was the first, so he gets the blame. It's not a personal vendetta against Chelsea.

Things change, that's life, that's business. And no club, barring the odd one off season, were ever going to challenge Utd or Arsenal, or even Liverpool when it came to overseas money back then. Big money for "lesser" teams, teams almost but not quite there was actually a good thing for football imo. And also, Chelsea didn't actually change their team that much in Roman's first season. The foundation was already built before Roman and Jose.

I just think it's bollocks how everyone gets on their moral high horse when it comes to Chelsea.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

Doesn't change the fact you're completely wrong about Chelsea being a team finishing in 10th before Roman.

The "Italian Connection" changed Chelsea's fortunes in the mid to late 90's.

Know your facts before talking utter sh!te and being wrong next time..



Things change, that's life, that's business. And no club, barring the odd one off season, were ever going to challenge Utd or Arsenal, or even Liverpool when it came to overseas money back then. Big money for "lesser" teams, teams almost but not quite there was actually a good thing for football imo. And also, Chelsea didn't actually change their team that much in Roman's first season. The foundation was already built before Roman and Jose.

I just think it's bollocks how everyone gets on their moral high horse when it comes to Chelsea.

It's not Chelsea, it's roman. That was my point about no one challenging united - they earned all of that right, they were marketing geniuses as soon as they started winning, they had sponsors on everything. and were raking it in. That's how a successful businesses should be. I'd hate to see united on 30 league titles and 10 CL's but they earned it, they didn't take shortcuts.

Chelsea spent Ł150m in his first transfer window, back in 03/04, so no need to rewrite history

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's not Chelsea, it's roman. That was my point about no one challenging united - they earned all of that right, they were marketing geniuses as soon as they started winning, they had sponsors on everything. and were raking it in. That's how a successful businesses should be. I'd hate to see united on 30 league titles and 10 CL's but they earned it, they didn't take shortcuts.

Chelsea spent Ł150m in his first transfer window, back in 03/04, so no need to rewrite history

So you're saying the league is worse off now, because of all the money being spent, and teams that couldn't dream of challenging Utd, are now, and have dethroned them?

Also, no one wants to acknowledge that massively inflated prices Chelsea payed for players, if, before Roman, we approached, we'd have paid half the amount.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

So you're saying the league is worse off now, because of all the money being spent, and teams that couldn't dream of challenging Utd, are now, and have dethroned them?

Also, no one wants to acknowledge that massively inflated prices Chelsea payed for players, if, before Roman, we approached, we'd have paid half the amount.

Not just the league, but football is worse off. i'll even concede that if it was just Roman it would be manageable, but now we have your mob spending half a bill this window (if they get enzo), Newcastle will be guaranteed top 2 in 5 years, city will be top 2 forever, and then what happens? United can spend with them, but your lot won't be able to sustain this.

If Liverpool got Qatari owners and won 10 leagues on the trot, I'd obviously enjoy it, but it wouldn't improve the sport, and I'd more than likely have stopped watching. Football shouldn't be about owners - it should be about clubs, managers, and players.

I don't begrudge you what happened at Chelsea, because I'm self aware enough to know that if our clubs were reversed, I'd be laughing about the tears, too, but just trying to give an honest view on what's happened over the last 20 years, and going forward.

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not just the league, but football is worse off. i'll even concede that if it was just Roman it would be manageable, but now we have your mob spending half a bill this window (if they get enzo), Newcastle will be guaranteed top 2 in 5 years, city will be top 2 forever, and then what happens? United can spend with them, but your lot won't be able to sustain this.

If Liverpool got Qatari owners and won 10 leagues on the trot, I'd obviously enjoy it, but it wouldn't improve the sport, and I'd more than likely have stopped watching. Football shouldn't be about owners - it should be about clubs, managers, and players.

I don't begrudge you what happened at Chelsea, because I'm self aware enough to know that if our clubs were reversed, I'd be laughing about the tears, too, but just trying to give an honest view on what's happened over the last 20 years, and going forward.

Yeah i suppose what you say is fair enough.

I guess teams are becoming more like franchises, like in American sport. The passion will always be there though.

But it's unfair to say Chelsea were sh!t before Roman, yeah he did have us challenging for Leagues, but we were on the brink imo before he arrived. To say Chelsea were going under financially just before Roman might have some truth, but you'll remember as well as anyone, that last game face off for top 4 between Chelsea and Liverpool, which we won. That CL money would have kept us afloat.

6 years before Roman -
3 Top 4 finishes
2 FA Cups
1 League Cup
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 Super Cup

That is not a 10th finishing team. So Girth is completely wrong about Chelsea being sh!t before Roman. We were on the up. That can't be denied. We'll never know of course, but without Roman, i feel Chelsea were only a season or 2 away from challenging for the PL.

If we wanna talk about ACTUAL sh!t teams paying for Trophies, lets all pop over to the blue side of Manchester!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

Doesn't change the fact you're completely wrong about Chelsea being a team finishing in 10th before Roman.

The "Italian Connection" changed Chelsea's fortunes in the mid to late 90's.

Know your facts before talking utter sh!te and being wrong next time..

You won the premier league/first division one time before the blood money.