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Old 25-01-2023, 03:05 PM #11
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I have a couple of questions about this. They are good faith questions not meant as gotchas, but as an attempt to try and understand more about how you think.

Who are these men with all this power to tell women what and what not to think and fear? If you take the lawmakers in this country, for example, all of the men with the power to protect women's spaces, mostly appear on the face of it to be anti-trans. If we're talking about the Scottish bill, then it was the equality act in 2010 that opened up womens spaces, and why wasn't there all this outrage back then rather than being used in a modern day culture war? Was there outrage that I just missed?

Do you think it's men telling women to shut up, or do you think that both men and women can be either pro, or anti-trans and both can express their opinions equally vocally? Do you think that trans rights is a civil rights issue?

A really weird issue I have with all of this, is that the anti-trans community seem perfectly fine with sending a person they consider a woman, into a male bathroom, so don't you think they would be more vulnerable, and yet they seem completely excluded in any discussion?
Well in regards to this tweet I'm pretty sure JK Rowling is talking about a specific set of men on Twitter who constantly lecture women on this topic (Owen Jones being an example) You don't need to have power to tell someone anything.

In regards to specific bills, a lot of this stuff was done under the radar, people have only started realising what changes have been happening in the last few years (I know that's true for me, for example Self ID in Ireland was snuck in on the back of the very popular Gay marriage referendum here, people voted for Self ID without actually knowing they did that. There was actually a report called The Denton report advising activists to use strategies like that in order to change laws.

Anyway, here’s another tip from the document: ‘Tie your campaign to more popular reform.’

For example:

‘In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection, particularly in Ireland, where marriage equality was strongly supported, but gender identity remained a more difficult issue to win public support for.’

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ans-lobbyists/

Do you think it's men telling women to shut up, or do you think that both men and women can be either pro, or anti-trans and both can express their opinions equally vocally?
I'm not anti trans, I'm pro women just for clarification. Of course there are women on the "other side" too but men seem more vocal to me and obviously a man telling a woman what a woman is or isn't is more jarring.
Do you think that trans rights is a civil rights issue?
No, I don't. I think it's an identity politics issue, trans people already have the same human rights as everyone else.

A really weird issue I have with all of this, is that the anti-trans community seem perfectly fine with sending a person they consider a woman, into a male bathroom, so don't you think they would be more vulnerable, and yet they seem completely excluded in any discussion?

"Anti-trans Community" is an odd concept but anyway, who is "sending" transmen into mens bathrooms? This is an odd question, if a transman chooses to enter the mens toilets they're choosing to take that risk, the women in the womens toilets aren't choosing to have have men in there?
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