[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I mean putting Julie Bindel in the same category as Posie Parker is a bit of a stretch, she's a Radical Feminist who advocates for women who have murdered their abusive male partners... the alt right would never align with such "misandry". JK Rowling I genuinely believe started with good intentions and was led down a path of tribalism with the back-and-forth, the rest (the idea that she secretly always had nefarious intent) is a very flimsy retcon.

ANyway - this sort of falls into the same logic as people on the right who term Antifa a "group or movement" though - that all people who are against fascism are part of some tangible group called "Antifa" and "Antifa" does bad things.

The comparison here would be, that you seem to think that anyone who has ideas and opinions about gender, or thoughts and concerns about women and children's safeguarding, are part of a tangible "GC movement" that has shared goals and some sort of leadership structure, which is obviously not the case.

What percentage of people with views on gender that fall outside of what's considered "right and good" are attending events of any kind, let alone events alongside alt-right mouthpieces? People do speak out against those that are hijacking, people do distance themselves from that by not going to these events.

There are plenty of people - myself included - who want measured progress for all with safeguarding and respectful consent forefront of the research and discussions. Whether you believe that or not isn't really all that relevant, you've made it abundantly clear that you don't and that you believe that everyone with concerns is secretly harbouring a heart full of hatred against a certain demographic for ... no apparent reason whatsoever ... but it's not the case and reality doesn't form itself around your opinions or anyone else's. Yes there are bigots - massive ones like Posie Parker and many of the other YouTube drones - smaller scale ones plenty of whom I've seen on this forum - but it's not "It's all good no debate or you're a bigot". It's such black and white thinking, it bears no resemblance at all to how any real society works.

On reflection, JK Rowling was always a dickhead. The only east asian character in the book just happens to be called Cho Chang? And plenty of jewish commentators and voices have pointed out that the goblins are basically riddled with anti-semite tropes. I think she just hid it well when she was pretty much universally beloved and spiralled when her mask slipped a bit. The only credit I'll give her is that she was likely more radicalised by the company she keeps, that doesn't excuse her being a dickhead though.

The antifa example is as misguided and foolish as your attempt to make out that Posie Parker welcoming nazis to her protests is no different to LGBT throwing out peadophiles from LGBT events. Centrists are so ****ing pointless.

Oh, the whole safeguarding kids bull**** that, if this was a few decades ago, you'd been spouting the same **** about gay people. A few decades from now, your views on trans people will be seen in a similar light. A trans child is not undergoing operations to transition, they aren't doing anything to themselves that can't be reversed at any time. Who exactly are you safeguarding by pouring doubt on them? It's certainly not the trans kids who will suffer for it. As for women, look at crime rates, a cisgender person is more likely to harm a trans person than the other way around. As for things like the prison debate, transwomen prisoners are not allowed with cisgendered women prisoners if they are convicted of a violent crime.

The rate of suicide of and hate crimes towards trans people is skyrocketing all the time, and there's a clear correlation between more trans people dying and more anti-trans rhetoric and hatred becoming common place. I don't really care about your concerns of safeguarding against transpeople, when it's rare that a transperson has the chance to grow old.

All your handwringing is just tiresome to behold. It serves no one but your own ego.