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you don't get paid when you are on strike, so it doesn't take long before it starts to hurt individuals and it can't be recovered with any reasonable pay rise

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you don't get paid when you are on strike, so it doesn't take long before it starts to hurt individuals and it can't be recovered with any reasonable pay rise

That's understandable after a lengthy period of striking I agree.
This hasn't been a really lengthy period of strikes.

They've settled for next to nothing as a serious increase.
I don't see the point of taking any action, if all they've settled for is a paltry bribe and tiniest of change on pay with no real firm commitment of conditions either.

When the cold light of day hits them as to how weak and next to nothing this deal is.
Then they've had it anyway as they've made themselves look like pushovers.

Good luck to them, however the RCN appears to have seen through this deal as to its weakness.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's understandable after a lengthy period of striking I agree.
This hasn't been a really lengthy period of strikes.

They've settled for next to nothing as a serious increase.
I don't see the point of taking any action, if all they've settled for is a paltry bribe and tiniest of change on pay with no real firm commitment of conditions either.

When the cold light of day hits them as to how weak and next to nothing this deal is.
Then they've had it anyway as they've made themselves look like pushovers.

Good luck to them, however the RCN appears to have seen through this deal as to its weakness.

There was a commitment to safe staffing levels and (crucially) a promise to separate nursing from other NHS professions in terms of pay structure going forward built into what was on the table that would have been the best thing possible for nurses in the long run ... and that's now lost (they were clear that if it was rejected it was off the table). I think it's been rejected because what was actually on the table wasn't great in flat monitary terms, and it wasn't well understood what was actually being offered.

I actually think a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity has been missed for nurses. Their pay is now still linked to the "agenda for change" structure, which doesn't work well for nurses (specifically) at all.