[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

people who think they can bypass democracy because they "THINK" they are so right and everyone else is wrong should never be tolerated

hooligans

Over 118 Arrested now

[Kazanne]

17 of 39 horses finish but Hill Sixteen put down after a fall - the third fatality of the three-day meeting,We are still waiting to discover the condition of the several horses that fell in the Grand National and we will provide an update as soon as we have it. So you all think this is acceptable as long as it pleases you ?

[arista]

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

One is one too many

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

Well it doesn't look too promising possibly since they haven't yet.

We are hearing of the arrests of people.
Not the unnecessary death or deaths of the horses.

If it was good news, they'd be crowing about it and how safe the race is.

As Kazanne says one is too many especially as it happens it appears every year of 1 at least beautiful being killed in a race for goodness sake.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

17 of 39 horses finish but Hill Sixteen put down after a fall - the third fatality of the three-day meeting,We are still waiting to discover the condition of the several horses that fell in the Grand National and we will provide an update as soon as we have it. So you all think this is acceptable as long as it pleases you ?

At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How is it strange ? Why put horses in danger in the name of so called sport ,no one is saying they shouldn't exist at all but let them exist in their natural state ,without being forced to jump fences and race for their lives, No animal lover wants any animal to suffer or be put in danger when there is no need for it. They are not so powerful ,elegant or beautiful when they have to be shot ect. Their legs are quite weak and not powerful , as as soon as they break a leg they are deemed no good.

Jumping and running are very natural for horses, that's when we see the greatness of the animal. What is their natural state? What about when police use them or when people used to travel by horse, that's probably not very natural either.

Truth is you get rid of horse racing and the horse population declines massively and you get a higher proportion of horses falling into low quality and uncared for lives. That seems cruel to me

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jumping and running are very natural for horses, that's when we see the greatness of the animal. What is their natural state? What about when police use them or when people used to travel by horse, that's probably not very natural either.

Truth is you get rid of horse racing and the horse population declines massively and you get a higher proportion of horses falling into low quality and uncared for lives. That seems cruel to me

It is cruel. Far, far more cruel.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well it doesn't look too promising possibly since they haven't yet.

We are hearing of the arrests of people.
Not the unnecessary death or deaths of the horses.

If it was good news, they'd be crowing about it and how safe the race is.

As Kazanne says one is too many especially as it happens it appears every year of 1 at least beautiful being killed in a race for goodness sake.

Look it will not be instant
but Only Official numbers should be posted.

That's all I ask.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

Well if they'd never existed, they'd never have known anything.

To breed them, then in really what amounts to a kind of bloodsport to FORCE them to participate and then lose their lives in deep distress and pain because they cannot get back up on their legs.
Some life.

That's something I wouldn't want to support.

Now fair enough you do.
That's your choice and your view.

Mine is not breed them to kill them for a SO called sport in the first place.

This race has too many jumps, too many runners, is too long and has too high fences.
It's designed for cruelty and that's ALL IT IS.
In my view.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

Of course I would Alf,don't be silly, by all means have these beautiful horse but why risk their lives by racing them like this

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well if they'd never existed, they'd never have known anything.

To breed them, then in really what amounts to a kind of bloodsport to FORCE them to participate and then lose their lives in deep distress and pain because they cannot get back up on their legs.
Some life.

That's something I wouldn't want to support.

Now fair enough you do.
That's your choice and your view.

Mine is not breed them to kill them for a SO called sport in the first place.

This race has too many jumps, too many runners, is too long and has too high fences.
It's designed for cruelty and that's ALL IT IS.
In my view.

It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jumping and running are very natural for horses, that's when we see the greatness of the animal. What is their natural state? What about when police use them or when people used to travel by horse, that's probably not very natural either.

Truth is you get rid of horse racing and the horse population declines massively and you get a higher proportion of horses falling into low quality and uncared for lives. That seems cruel to me

Jumping and racing under their own steam yes,it's lovely to see them running naturally, but to be raced like that and made to jump it's not natural,its a shame we can't trust humans to look after animals properly it's all about profit, we will never stop it but why do people get so triggered when the cruelty is pointed out, irs 2023,youd'e think we would understand and care more now,seems not.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jumping and racing under their own steam yes,it's lovely to see them running naturally, but to be raced like that and made to jump it's not natural,its a shame we can't trust humans to look after animals properly it's all about profit, we will never stop it but why do people get so triggered when the cruelty is pointed out, irs 2023,youd'e think we would understand and care more now,seems not.

It's not cruel. It's just tragic accidents. Tragic accidents happen to all animals including humans. They don't set out for the horse to be killed just as humans don't set out to be killed in a crash on the way to work or to be killed in their job. There's no cruelty motive behind it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

Alf, stop being silly, no one wants to make any animals extinct, but we are doing a good job of that anyway, but as Joey said they are bred simply for money and racing, it's selfish greedy humans again,each to their own but we are also allowed to have opposing opinions ,how can anyone enjoy that spectical today, I caught about 10 seconds that was enough, I get you enjoy it and a flutter but not everyone does .

[jet]

I'm totally with you Kazanne, it's bloody disgusting. The National is far too dangerous a course, if a few jockeys got killed they would soon put a stop to it.
But it's only horses, who cares, they can't feel agonizing pain when their bodies get broken, apparently.

[Alf]

When those horses win prize money, it pays for their stables, their food, their vets bills, their grooms. They're earning their keep and danger is just a part of life for everyone.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not cruel. It's just tragic accidents. Tragic accidents happen to all animals including humans. They don't set out for the horse to be killed just as humans don't set out to be killed in a crash on the way to work or to be killed in their job. There's no cruelty motive behind it.

If it wasn't for the betting and spectical ,those horses would still be alive why put them in a position of danger,we know at least one will die most every year,plus all the deaths never mentioned in other races, we won't agree ,imo it's cruel and unnecessary.

[Crimson Dynamo]

wild horses get no vet care or love and attention and are left to the elements

these horses get all the best vet care available and love and attention and are protected from the elements

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If it wasn't for the betting and spectical ,those horses would still be alive why put them in a position of danger,we know at least one will die most every year,plus all the deaths never mentioned in other races, we won't agree ,imo it's cruel and unnecessary.

No they wouldn't still be alive, they'd have never have existed because nobody would have wanted them or wanted to actual care for them.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

When those horses win prize money, it pays for their stables, their food, their vets bills, their grooms. They're earning their keep and danger is just a part of life for everyone.

Why should they pay with their lives?to make money for humans ?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why should they pay with their lives?to make money for humans ?

Why should humans who die on the job to make money for humans? They do it so that they can have a roof over their head and food in their belly. The race horses do the same.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm totally with you Kazanne, it's bloody disgusting. The National is far too dangerous a course, if a few jockeys got killed they would soon put a stop to it.
But it's only horses, who cares, they can't feel agonizing pain when their bodies get broken, apparently.

I know I'm in the minority here Jet along with you and Joey, but no one will convince me any animal should be a money making machine .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

What tripe.
No I don't want any animals extinct..
Even without ALL racing Horses wouldn't be extinct or even near to being and you know that surely.

I'll leave it there because Kazanne has said just about all I was intending to as to your post.

How on earth can wanting the fullest protection for any animals, be wanting to make them extinct.
Really, for goodness sake.

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=Alf;11281235]Why should humans who die on the job to make money for humans? They do it so that they can have a roof over their head and food in their belly. Th
race horses do the same.[/QUOTE

Horses don't have that thought complex Alf, they don't know any difference,they are forced to race.