[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf why do people want to be an asshole by dead naming or misgendering on purpose? Even if you don't agree with their view about how they see themselves, it is just about being respectful towards other people.

And look I get you might accidentally misgender someone, and that's fine because you're not being an asshole towards someone deliberately.

If a man wants to pretend to be a woman, then that's up to him.

If that man wants us to pretend that he's a woman, then that's up to us.

You seem to be advocating for forced compliance by trying to shame people as assholes if the don't comply.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Alf

If a man wants to pretend to be a woman, then that's up to him.

If that man wants us to pretend that he's a woman, then that's up to us.

You seem to be advocating for forced compliance by trying to shame people as assholes if the don't comply.

I'm saying that deliberately misgendering or deadnaming people just to be offensive is being an asshole.

If you have a fair point to be made like the Sports or the Toilets then a debate can be had that isn't being an asshole and isn't "forced compliance" which is never something I'd advocate anyway as that's bringing law enforcement into the equation, which I don't support for saying something that I don't agree with, I prefer to have a debate like we're having now.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm saying that deliberately misgendering or deadnaming people just to be offensive is being an asshole.

If you have a fair point to be made like the Sports or the Toilets then a debate can be had that isn't being an asshole and isn't "forced compliance" which is never something I'd advocate anyway as that's bringing law enforcement into the equation, which I don't support for saying something that I don't agree with, I prefer to have a debate like we're having now.

But if we know that they are not that gender but are just saying they are because that's what they want. Then we're not misgendering them. We're referring to them by their real gender, not their fantasy one. They are the ones misgendering, by misgendering themselves.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Alf

But if we know that they are not that gender but are just saying they are because that's what they want. Then we're not misgendering them. We're referring to them by their real gender, not their fantasy one. They are the ones misgendering, by misgendering themselves.

I honestly think it depends on the setting.

In normal every day life I will call people by what they want to be called (or at least try to) but Sports is where I can meet you halfway a little bit as I can't ignore Biology in that particular area.

And the Toilets I honestly believe that the decision should be up to women to decide like I've said on here in the past, it's not really my place to decide one way or the other.

But anyway I personally don't support deliberately upsetting people just for the sake of it, especially when most of the community aren't criminals.