[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

16 and older have to pay tax if they earn more than a certain amount, 16 year - 17 year olds are off to college at that age, which isn’t compulsory.

If they earn more than like a grand a month, which at 16 you'd have to work more than 50 hours even without the still compulsory full time education, that'd be a stretch. Someone who's 16 is unlikely to be hired for anything which pays more than minimum.

College has to be full time too, for under 18s. But I guess full time might not take the same amount of hours per week as school, and even sixth formers get free study periods.

But either way, they're unlikely to be paying taxes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If they earn more than like a grand a month, which at 16 you'd have to work more than 50 hours even without the still compulsory full time education, that'd be a stretch. Someone who's 16 is unlikely to be hired for anything which pays more than minimum.

College has to be full time too, for under 18s. But I guess full time might not take the same amount of hours per week as school, and even sixth formers get free study periods.

But either way, they're unlikely to be paying taxes.

.... but not impossible to pay taxes, or NI.
As you say unlikely but that's not impossible.

Say in a family.business if a 16 year old was employed on more than a minimum wage.
They could, a minority likely admittedly, be In a tax range bracket.

Plus the minimum wage is the minumum to be paid, firms CAN pay more than that if they wished to.
I think Liam made a fair point really.

It's not impossible for 16 year olds to be in a tax bracket.

Plus too, as to the armed services.
They won't, no way be on the front lines
However, they won't be just making coffee or tea.
They'll be being TRAINED for to be potentially engaged in active service in the future.

If they can be trained to do that, then it's ridiculous frankly that they are refused the right to vote.
In my view anyhow.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

.... but not impossible to pay taxes, or NI.
As you say unlikely but that's not impossible.

Say in a family.business if a 16 year old was employed on more than a minimum wage.
They could, a minority likely admittedly, be In a tax range bracket.

Plus the minimum wage is the minumum to be paid, firms CAN pay more than that if they wished to.
I think Liam made a fair point really.

It's not impossible for 16 year olds to be in a tax bracket.

That would be the exception rather than the rule.

I'm not even arguing that 16 year olds shouldn't vote, but I am saying that people's arguments should be factually correct

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That would be the exception rather than the rule.

I'm not even arguing that 16 year olds shouldn't vote, but I am saying that people's arguments should be factually correct

If it's an exemption rather than the rule though.
The fact it's an exemption shows it's not impossible .
So I'm just saying Liam has a point.
You are too really as you indicate it isn't impossible too.

I'm pleased you're another who seem to think it maybe right to have a vote at 16.
I have for a good while now.
I'd have loved to be able to vote when I was 16.
My Father got me really interested in politics from me turning 13 in 2005.
At 16 then onwards it was something I followed constantly.

So anyhow I hope this gets the chance to happen.
The younger generation surely cannot make things any worse than what the current generations have in voting in elections.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If it's an exemption rather than the rule though.
The fact it's an exemption shows it's not impossible .
So I'm just saying Liam has a point.
You are too really as you indicate it isn't impossible too.

If your argument for allowing all under-18s to vote is that the minority of them can pay taxes, under relatively rare circumstances ... the naysayers' response will be "fine, people under 18 can vote, as long as they're taxpayers."

Honestly I find "because it's a democracy, duh lol" or "sixteen year olds will have longer to live with the consequences lolol oldies be dying" to be stronger and more respectable attempts than talking about tax payers, and they're pretty low-efforted

If a change that big is to be made, it should be for bulletproof and unconditional reasons.

The kind of sixteen year old who's likely to be in the position to be paying taxes is more likely to come from a Conservative background and vote accordingly; if they're the only under-18s who can vote, it might not go the way Sir Kier expects!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If your argument for allowing all under-18s to vote is that the minority of them can pay taxes, under relatively rare circumstances ... the naysayers' response will be "fine, people under 18 can vote, as long as they're taxpayers."

Honestly I find "because it's a democracy, duh lol" or "sixteen year olds will have longer to live with the consequences lolol oldies be dying" to be stronger and more respectable attempts than talking about tax payers, and they're pretty low-efforted

If a change that big is to be made, it should be for bulletproof and unconditional reasons.

The kind of sixteen year old who's likely to be in the position to be paying taxes is more likely to come from a Conservative background and vote accordingly; if they're the only under-18s who can vote, it might not go the way Sir Kier expects!

Well that's not my argument at all so how you've arrived at that is a surprise.

If it was impossible in any scenario for anyone of 16 to pay tax.
I'd still be advocating those aged 16 should have the vote.

It's not an issue for me whether they'd vote Labour, Con or any other Party.
I simply support giving votes to those aged 16 as a right.